Poll: Should Evanston Spend $2 Million For Trader Joe’s Lot?
The city council voted Monday to buy two lots on Chicago Avenue and lease them to the upscale supermarket chain for parking. Good or bad? We want to know what you think.
A deal to bring Trader Joe’s to Evanston moved forward Monday when the city council voted to spend $2.05 million for two properties adjacent to the store’s planned location on Chicago Avenue.
According to Triblocal Evanston, aldermen voted to spend $2.05 million from the city’s parking fund to purchase the two properties just north of 1211 Chicago Ave., where Trader Joe’s plans to open next year. The city plans to build an 18,000-square foot, 78-space parking lot on the site, and hopes to generate enough revenue in taxes from the store to offset the purchase price within five years, Triblocal reports.
Earlier: Trader Joe's is Coming to Evanston
Trader Joe’s is expected to open in the spring of 2013, just up the street from Jewel-Osco and Whole Foods Evanston South—a location that has drawn some criticism.
Fourth Ward alderman Don Wilson, who was the only member of the council to vote against the entire project, cited some concerns about being fair to other businesses as the justification for his opposition, according to Triblocal.
“It probably makes sense from a return on investment perspective,” he told Triblocal. “But the tougher point is, how do you look the other business in the eye? You’ve got somebody next door—you didn’t buy their parking for them.”
Earlier: Read Patch's conversation with the city manager about the lot.
Was this a good move by the city council? Vote in our poll and share your opinion in the comments.
Franny Clarkson
7:17 am on Thursday, May 10, 2012
What is Evanston charging Trader Joes to rent the lots? Could it be a portion of their revenue?
Brandie Jefferson
7:28 am on Thursday, May 10, 2012
I haven't been back to Evanston for a few years, but I'm surprised that there isn't a Trader Joe's there already. Is the People's Market, or whatever it was called, still on Chicago Ave.?
LaVerne
7:58 am on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Brandie
It's a Whole Foods now.
evie
9:34 am on Thursday, May 10, 2012
As Lucas said, we now have two Whole Foods within a mile of one another and no Trader Joe's.
Rouzati Rugs, Inc.
8:01 am on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Most businesses have their own clients, so think about new shoppers who will drive to Chicago Ave which normally wouldn't and will have revenue for others in the neighborhood plus it will creat new local jobs and renting the parking will have income for the city and would not add parking issues to the area.
It's a good thing
JT
9:16 am on Thursday, May 10, 2012
I agree with the folks at Rouzati Rugs. I live near the site and increased parking opportunities could definitely have a positive impact on many of the businesses in the area, the majority of whom are small/local businesses. So many people have wanted to see Trader Joes here, and my understanding (from talking to people at TJ's) is that it's just been too expensive a prospect for them.
As much as I like the products at Whole Foods, they're mostly not cost-effective for my family. I've had to start shopping at more places like Aldi than even Jewel. Having the option to get different products at a mostly quite reasonable price point is a good one, and bringing more consumers to the south end of Evanston may draw them to a lot of local businesses they haven't had reason to go to before. How many of you regularly shop the Dempster or Main Street corridors?
Let's support more good business in Evanston! It's good for the city, which will hopefully be good for the community!
Richard Schulte
8:12 am on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Why should the City of Evanston be in the real estate leasing business? Doesn't sound like an appropriate thing for city government to be doing.
Jim
8:21 am on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Another example of poor judgement and poor management. The city council just does not get it. Some consultant or other bean counter told them that they would get the money back in 5 years and of course the advisor knows that his/her/their pay is dependent upon telling the city council what they want to hear and the city council figures that if it doe not work out that way, they can blame it the advisor just like they did with the actuary in the pension mess. we need to elect some folks who can think for themselves. Is the city so flush with money that it can gamble with two million dollars of taxpayer money?
evie
9:30 am on Thursday, May 10, 2012
A thousand times YES! First of all, parking in that area is important for everyone. Secondly, Trader Joe's is a huge and needed business in Evanston. It's amazing they haven't been able to figure it out before. And finally, all deals of this magnitude have elements in them where the city picks up some of the costs. They could have given them a break on city taxes, or whatever else. Instead they are actually using the money to invest in infrastructure for the city to use over the long term.
This isn't even a close call; it's only controversial because it has a dollar sign attached and is not hidden in a tax break like other deals might be. It is 100% the right thing to do.
mij
9:39 am on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Who loses the prperty taxes on the property. Whose paying for that lost revenue. The Schools will lose some.
Richard Schulte
9:27 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
I'm a little curious to know why "Trader Joe's is a huge and needed business in Evanston".
Evanston has done without a Trader Joe's since 1863 and has seemed to do alright without one for the last 149 years. Sorry, but I've only been in Trader Joe's once in my life (about 10 years ago) and I have survived and don't feel like I've missed anything. Is this all there is to life in Evanston-another store?
I've got no problem with Trader Joe's (or any other business) coming to Evanston, but that should be a business decision made by the company. Evanston gov't shouldn't have to bribe businesses to come to Evanston. If they have to bribe a business to locate in Evanston, then there is obviously something wrong with Evanston (and yes, there is something wrong with Evanston).
After living in Evanston for 29 years, I moved to the panhandle of Florida a few months ago. I couldn't be happier having escaped from the leftist utopia known as the People's Republic of Evanston. The reason Evanston has to bribe business to come to Evanston is because of the far left mentality.
If you want Trader Joe's to come to Evanston without being bribed, it's easy-stop with all the leftist nonsense and try to be a little more normal.
The people here in Florida are so nice-love it here and don't miss Evanston one bit. Unfortunately, I have friends who are stuck in Evanston, so I have to make an effort to fix it.
holly
9:43 am on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Two things. As a resident of the 1200 block of Hinman, right behind the proposed development, I want to know how City engineers are going to handle the traffic in this area. It is already a hazardous mix of commuters trying to speed north and south on Chicago ave, constant comings and goings from adjacent Jewel and Whole Foods traffic, in addition to the gas station on the corner as well. If you want to see what I mean, try to take a turn off of Hamilton onto Chicago Avenue watching for a steady stream of pedestrians along Chicago and the cross walk, traffic in and out of the Jewel, Whole Foods, and gas station lots, in addition to speeding traffic on Chicago. Now add in more traffic from the proposed new City garage- yikes! Second, although I can't speak for the financial aspects in detail, why does it leave me feeling like Evanston can't recognize how much we have to offer to Trader Joes and feels it must grovel? I feel like the folks at Trader Joes are taking advantage and laughing behind our backs. is it normal to offer such incentives? Trader Joes is nice and all that, but just how important is it to getting them to Evanston?
Andy
2:36 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
Echo Holly's comment - where is the traffic plan - Chicago is going to have a ton of congestion with all of the development currently taking place.
evie
12:31 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
mij - I couldn't reply, so I'm entering a separate post. I assume they'll lose some property tax when it's a parking lot, but they'll gain a lot from the new building. The old, worn ones there would have been valued less. And in terms of revenue, the sales tax and alcohol tax that will be coming from the store will be huge. Remember, it's been an abandoned Blockbuster -- plus it will bring a lot of jobs and customers from outside Evanston.
EvanstonDaily
4:17 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
So if the City didn't buy the lot, Trader Joe's wouldn't come? Seriously, the whole deal depends on $2m dollars? If Trader Joe's paid for the parking lot, Evanston would STILL get tax revenue.
Millie
9:50 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
When alls said and done. There will lots of parking lots on Chicago Ave. Greenleaf to Dempster.
John Miller
9:04 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
It's very interesting that the Alderidiots would allocate $2M for TJs but not one cent to keep the South Branch of the library open.
Lori Keenan
10:45 pm on Friday, May 11, 2012
Amen!
Jim
9:13 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
I agree with Richard. The sociologists call this civic-business proximity "state socialism" wherein the business gets to make a profit (maybe) and the civic end gets some proxy control of the business and hopes for an increase in tax revenue to replace other revenue lost through previous business disincentives and/or poor planning and management. The very image of four grocery stores within a few blocks of each other does not create much confidence in Evanston's economic development.
Richard Schulte
10:15 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
Evanston is replacing its auto row on Chicago Avenue with grocery store row. Auto row would still be there if the City of Evanston didn't drive all the car dealerships out of Evanston.
Evanston Eastsider
11:18 am on Friday, May 11, 2012
I hate to inject facts into your ignorant rant, but there are Nissan, Volkswagen, and Mazda dealerships on Chicago Ave. in Evanston. Also, Evanston Subaru moved to Skokie because they were so successful and ran out of real estate to grow at their former location.
Finally, TJ's in not replacing an auto dealership, it is taking the place of a vacant video store. A 200+-unit apartment and retail community is being built on the site of the former Evanston Subaru.
At least you got your punctuation and sentence structure correct, sir.
mij
3:53 pm on Friday, May 11, 2012
As long as your injecting facts. You left out Evanston Toyota and info on what was given to keep current dealers here.
Richard Schulte
4:55 pm on Friday, May 11, 2012
I bought my first new car on Evanston's auto row in October 1978-a Toyota Corolla for $3,300, including under-coating and sales tax. (Joe Levy's Toyota; the salesman name was Fox; yes, I've got an excellent memory.) I know what auto row on Chicago Avenue looked like in the 1970's and today it's a shadow its former shelf.
Mr. or Ms. Eastsider, I've forgotten more than you'll ever know. I won't wait for your correction to your inaccurate/ignorant statement above. Know-it-alls like you are the reason nobody wants to do business in Evanston.
mij
3:57 pm on Friday, May 11, 2012
INteresting to see that so many people are pleased to see "4" large parking lots from Greanleaf to Dempster on Chicago. Since the Blockbuster already had a small parking lot why couldn't some sort of deal been made with Whole Foods or Jewel as well as with the city since they already have a lot close by to handle this parking
Lori Keenan
10:55 pm on Friday, May 11, 2012
Plenty of parking and a grocery store to "augment" shopping at Dempster and Dodge, and the bonus that the City wouldn't have to buy two lots at inflated prices. Maybe Trader Joe's should check out other available real estate in town? If they want prime real estate then they can pay for their own parking lot. Evanston needs to value what we offer and quit giving it all away. Yes, we'd love a Trader Joe's but really? Across the street from Jewel and in between two Whole Foods AND it's costing us $2million? Not at that cost.
Mark joseph
9:46 am on Saturday, May 12, 2012
Is Evanston buying lot for all local businesses ? Or just trader joes?
Seems the only one making money off that empty lot now is a tow truck company, towing cars away.
So buy parking for all businesses or none. Then do away with meters if you buy one local business a lot.
Like we need another grocery store in that area.
Charlene Bos
9:50 am on Saturday, May 12, 2012
Question for the "gentleman" that has left Evanston for the coast of Florida: If it is so great and you are so happy to have left this city behind...Why are you not out surfing, working on your melanoma or attending Tea Party rallies? You spend considerable time writing about a car you bought thirty years ago and your biased opinions about Evanston.
Me thinks thou doth protest too much...get a life..
Richard Schulte
7:03 pm on Sunday, May 13, 2012
Ms. Bos, no need to go to Florida to get skin cancer-I got skin cancer in Evanston-my surgery to remove the cancer is scheduled on Thursday of this week.
Not everybody goes to Florida to surf or attend Tea Party rallies. Some migrate to Florida for the 0 percent state income tax and the 7.5 percent sales tax, not to mention the wonderful people who live here and the perfect roads. I migrated to Florida to get away from the kooks who have taken over Evanston and, of course, Democrats.
Not only are the people who live here nicer than the people who live in Evanston, the Winn-Dixie grocery stores are beautiful and well-lit and the food prices are much lower. Oh, I almost forgot to mention the fresh fish at prices far less than those of the fish in Evanston and the roadside farmstands selling produce right off of the farms.
I have a life, but I feel obligated as a patriotic American to help "free" the people who live in the People's Republic of Evanston-it's called "giving back". I won't rest until the Iron Curtain that has descended on Crook County is removed.
Oh yeah, there is no Trader Joe's here. Who needs Trader Joe's?
P.S. Last Wednesday morning, the Blue Angels flew over me in tight formation as I was driving near the Naval Air Station. I didn't even let the US Navy know I was in town, but somehow they knew-now that's the way to welcome newcomers to town. I don't recall being welcomed to town when I moved to Evanston in 1983.
annie
12:03 pm on Saturday, May 12, 2012
Thank you Charlene.....................! Very well said.
rick
11:25 pm on Saturday, May 12, 2012
We do not need another store in that area how bout asbury and oakton
Dileep Gangolli
8:06 am on Sunday, May 13, 2012
I agree with Ald. Wilson - this does not seem to be a fair deal for existing businesses or small businesses who may not have the muscle to get the City to invest in their capital expenditures and plant, property & equipment.
The City should not be in the business of real estate and deciding which companies deserve being helped by tax payer money which ones do not.
If I was the management of Jewel or Whole Foods, I would be very upset with how the City has helped the competition.
I cannot recall the TIF funding involved in the Buck building project that houses the downtown Whole Foods location.....was this comparable?
Seems to me the existing parking lot would have been ample for the store or the TJ corporate (which has very deep pockets) could have spent their own money on fixing up the parking lot.
Charlene Bos
10:59 am on Sunday, May 13, 2012
"The City should not be in the business of real estate and deciding which companies deserve being helped by tax payer money and which ones do not."
Perfectly stated Dileep, thank you.
Unfortunately, the city council has approved major investments in other private business and buildings in Evanston. Follow the money and manpower going from taxpayers pockets into private business development of the Howard Street corridor. That began years ago and is continuing today. They bestow our money on their favorites and the rest of the business and citizens are left digging through empty pockets for more and more quarters to dump into the meters.
We really need to review and monitor the way our money is spent rather than complaining after the fact. We need to stop reelecting a city council that thinks our budget is a personal check book for personal favorites.
LaVerne
11:11 am on Sunday, May 13, 2012
Ths was discussed on Patch earlier this year. City Council ignores the citizens that don't agree with them. They pay attention to about 3% of the population.
Richard Schulte
7:10 pm on Sunday, May 13, 2012
Ms. Bos, I see you have adopted the conservative point of view-thumbs up. Thanks for agreeing with my post on this thread on May 10th.
Dileep Gangolli
11:14 am on Sunday, May 13, 2012
Well please remember that not all the Alderman are the same. I have been very happy with our choice here in the 4th Ward. Ald. Wilson is pragmatic and gives a good deal of thought to his votes. I tend to agree with them by and large. But he is often in the minority.
Millie
11:31 am on Sunday, May 13, 2012
Dileep
I've listen to your Alderman Wilson's s comments at meetings a few times. Usually agree with them. Wish I could vote for him. Seems to many of the nine alderman have no opinions on anything or just don't want to go against the flow
MMGlaser
11:47 am on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
I am thrilled TJ's is coming---just wish it had happened years ago. They have the most interesting variety of food, at very good prices, AND they actually care about the quality of the ingredients. Let me mention, too, that their employees are the friendliest (seemingly happiest) and their return policies favor the customer. I find them singular among affordable stores.
How Whole Foods ever got to have two stores within a mile is beyond me---they are so expensive, very corporate in nature, and pretty much ate up the healthy alternative stores on the low end of the food chain. I do wonder what will happen to JD Mills, which has been staying afloat despite all the competition up the street.