Teens and Marijuana: Are We Sending the Wrong Message?
Marijuana is easy to obtain, and even easier to justify now that it's legal in some states. Locally, Evanston has decriminalized small amounts. Opinion columnist Christine Wolf wonders what effect all this has on teenagers.
Last week, a friend with older kids mentioned how easy it is to buy marijuana at the high school.
“It’s everywhere,” she said.
I’ve always heard phrases like, “It’s so easy to get drugs” or “You wouldn’t believe what goes on…” but now that I’m the mother of a high schooler, I’m listening a lot more closely.
Personally, I didn’t take a lot of chances in high school (at least until I was a senior, but that’s another column altogether). As a freshman, I firmly believed alcohol and drugs would only weaken a laser-sharp focus on my two greatest interests: good grades and cute boys. My deepest fear was disappointing my parents and/or getting caught doing something that might jeopardize my future.
My father, on the other hand, kept a Sucrets lozenge box filled with joints in a bathroom drawer. When asked what they were, he tamped out one of his cigarettes and said, “they’re my homemade cigarettes.” I believed him. He recently died of esophageal cancer.
Flash forward thirty years to today’s American high school student, connected to their mobile phones, the Internet and 24/7 BREAKING and sensational news…their entire lives lived in a country at war with others. A life in which the media bombs them with explicit details about Columbine, tsunamis, hurricanes, steroids, and mass shootings — yet hardly a whisper about managing finances or becoming solid leaders. TV programs glamorize the lives of the laid-back and ludicrous, while sales catalogs and billboards portray “peers” living the so-called American dream, all while millions of them wonder when their parents will find a job.
American teenagers’ lives are beyond stressful – and many of them, if they’re not selling drugs to put food in their bellies, are searching for ways to ease their anxiety.
According to a 2011 study from the National Institute of Drug Abuse, about 7.2 percent of 8th graders, 17.6 percent of 10th graders, and 22.6 percent of 12th graders had used marijuana in the month before the survey. Marijuana use declined from the late 1990s through 2007, with a decrease of more than 20 percent in all three grades combined from 2000 to 2007. Unfortunately, this trend appears to be reversing. Since 2006, annual, monthly, and daily marijuana use increased among 10th and 12th graders, according to the National Institute of Drug Abuse. In 2011, for example, 6.6 percent of 12th graders reported using marijuana daily, compared to 5.0 percent in 2006.
Here’s where it gets really complicated. State law in Colorado and Washington now allows adults 21 and over to legally possess up to one ounce of marijuana, but on the federal level, marijuana’s still illegal – leaving law enforcement in those states in a bit of a conundrum. Meanwhile, Evanston aldermen voted last year to decriminalize possession of small amounts of marijuana. Now, any individual found with 10 grams or less will not be arrested. Instead, violators are issued a notice to appear before Evanston’s Division of Administrative Hearings, fined between $50 and $500 and may be ordered to seek drug counseling.
On more than one occasion, I’ve heard kids say they believe drinking alcohol is more dangerous than smoking pot. When asked where they got that idea, the answer’s always consistent: “We learned it in school.” (According to this HuffPost column, the theory holds water). Add in California’s recent 20 percent decrease in juvenile crime — theorized by some to be the result of decriminalizing marijuana possession of one ounce or less from a misdemeanor to an “infraction” — and you’ve got an easy argument for using pot.
However, not everyone agrees that marijuana’s the “safer” vice, particularly among young people. Habitual marijuana smokers (4 or more times/week) who began smoking before the age of 18 demonstrated an 8 point drop in IQ between the ages of 13 and 38, according to a New Zealand study published last year. Those who smoked less often (but who began smoking before age 18) also dropped IQ points in the before the age of 38, and those who abstained from marijuana use actually gained an average of 1 IQ point.
The White House’s Office of National Drug Control Policy also opposes marijuana legalization, arguing that marijuana use is harmful and that legalization would actually increase its use and do little to curb drug violence. (Here’s the Office of National Drug Control Policy’s position on legalization.)
So here I am, writing to you, readers, asking what you think. It’s such a slippery slope. To the teens reading this, I’ll give you my honest opinion:
You should NEVER EVER EVER use marijuana. It alters your brain cells. Whether you like it or not, some people in our society will view you as a slacker for using and might therefore interfere with your opportunities. You don’t know how your brain will respond to it (or even what’s mixed in to what you’re buying). You may hate it or you may love it, but if you love it, trust me, you’ll want more, and you’re very likely to use it so much that you’ll stop getting high from it and then you’ll start using other, stronger things to get that same high. It’s a path you don’t want to walk…
Readers, what do you think?
Adam Turetzky
12:00 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
"Results indicated no significant effect of cannabis use on global neurocognitive performance ... Overall, these meta-analyses demonstrate that any negative residual effects on neurocognitive performance attributable to either cannabis residue or withdrawal symptoms are limited to the first 25 days of abstinence. Furthermore, there was no evidence for enduring negative effects of cannabis use."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22731735
"Despite several lines of evidence suggesting the biological plausibility of marijuana use being carcinogenic (1), it is possible that marijuana use does not increase cancer risk .. Although purely speculative, it is possible that such inverse associations may reflect a protective effect of marijuana."
http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/content/15/10/1829.full#sec-7
"A study in the August edition of The Journal of School Health finds that the generations old theory of a “gateway drug” effect is in fact accurate for some drug users, but shifts the blame for those addicts’ escalating substance abuse away from marijuana and onto the most pervasive and socially accepted drug in American life: alcohol."
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/05/study-the-gateway-drug-is-alcohol-not-marijuana/
The stuff is safer than cigarettes and alcohol which are sold on every street corner and have ruined numerous lives and continue to do so. It should be a crime that marijuana was ever illegal and the others legal.
jud
12:36 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
The new zealand study she quoted was refuted not very long ago by another paper proposing an alternate explanation.
" A new analysis is challenging a report that suggests regular marijuana smoking during the teen years can lead to a long-term drop in IQ. The analysis says the statistical analysis behind that conclusion is flawed."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/14/marijuana-study-teens-pot-iq-drop-flawed_n_2473936.html
Its pretty bad journalism to exclude this.
Elizabeth Hubbard
12:17 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
O.k. Christine, I'll put myself out there at the risk of being permanently labelled a Polly Anna. I totally agree with you. First of all, it is illegal to smoke pot. Second of all, until someone tells me that it is "good" for you, I'm putting it in the same category as cigarettes. Finally, if it does impair judgement, slow response time and lead to trying other drugs or making other bad choices, I see no reason at all for teenagers or anyone else to smoke it. You say that our teens are living in a stressful world. Maybe it is our job as parents to help de-stress that world. If adults choose to smoke pot, that is their right, just as it is to cheat on their income taxes, speed or walk their dogs off leash (my particular vice). They have to live with the consequences and one of those is justifying their choice to their teenage children. Polly Anna(ish) enough for you?
jud
12:41 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
1) Circular logic.
2) There are many studies, at this point your ignorance is willful. Marijuana smokers have lower risks of neurodenegenerative disorders, diabetes, inflammatory conditions...etc. If you have a mental disorder, there are tons of studies showing it to be as effective as existing medications. If you have cancer, there is ample evidence that cannaboids actively fight the cancer cells and not just the symptoms.
3) Great. You wouldn't do it. We have this funny little thing in America we call freedom. You do what you want, I do what I want. You can be Pollyanna - and revel in your ignorance and simplistic outlook. Just don't force us to live with your conclusions and don't compare it to things that are dangerous for their impact on others.
John Snow
12:58 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
Cannabis is good for you. I submit that the reason we have so much addiction to pharmaceutical drugs and other hard drugs is that we have outlawed cannabis. Our collective system is constantly trying to compensate for it and we have too many idiots in power that can't see it. All the opinions spouted by the author have been disproved and cause the greatest harm to the very people you purport to help... teens. When they try cannabis and realize that the author along with others don't know what the heck they are talking about... it throws everything into question. Prohibitionists are the problem, they do more harm to society than the plant itself. Let us grow whatever we want for personal consumption.. no one is trying to take away your peanuts or milk. Let us grow the food that benefits us. Anslingers writings and history is littered with Racist language which stands as evidence that it was recognized that it was used by certain ethnic people. The racist attitudes towards these people led to prohibition. Can't you people live and let live. If Mexicans can tolerate cannabis and why can't they have it? Because northern Europeans can't? Mexicans for the most part can't tolerate milk into adulthood, should we ban milk? Cannabis is harmless when used responsibly. Cannabis is good so says your bible, Genesis 1:29.
SW
1:05 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
I might be simple-minded (personally I prefer that way). Agreeing with Elizabeth, "I don't see any benefit of smoking joints regardless it is legal or "not harmful to brain studies", therefore, it is not worthy to do so"....and that is what 6th grader told me. Fortunately or unfortunately, we have a family tragedy related to drug abuse so it scares (in good measure) my son away from any drug, cigarette, or alcohol.
Michele S. Hays
1:10 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
I am sure that marijuana apologists can find statistics in their favor no matter how we dice this. My biggest concern about marijuana right now? It is inexorably linked to gun violence: look at arrest reports of the last five years and see how often it is seized by police concurrently with guns and ammunition.
Buyers in large part provide the dollars that fuel the rest of the system. The perception that marijuana is "safe" means that more people than ever are putting money into the black market without thinking of what happens to that money once it leaves their hands.
That being said, beyond it being a justice/violence issue - the stuff has four times the amount of tar as tobacco, and is inhaled more deeply. THC resides in fat cells, making it possible for you to test positive for drugs more than 90 days after using it (and thus, can cause you to lose your job.) The NIH has collected information on it here: http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/marijuana-abuse
PEER services has been doing research on attitudes towards substance abuse and other issues in Evanston middle schools; they would be a good resource for specific information.
Mark Felice
3:10 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
Michele,
During alcohol prohibition, booze was inexorably tied to gun violence. Organized crime syndicates got very wealthy by participating in the illegal alcohol markets. Today booze is legal, and there is no longer any gun violence tied to the sale of alcohol. In theory, the same thing would happen if marijuana was legal.
I don't think that anyone is arguing that marijuana is 'good' for you. ANY drug can be dangerous if abused (even aspirin). The question here is whether it makes sense to lock people away for several years because they choose to consume a substance that is unhealthy. I personally think that marijuana use should be illegal to persons under the age of 21, but that adults should have the right to choose whether or not they wish to consume marijuana.
Michele S. Hays
7:53 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
@Mark - if you're talking about Federal Law, then I agree with you. At this point, though, we are talking about personal behavior.
People who drank during Prohibition (and there were lots of ways to get around prohibition beyond gangs, similar to the "medical marijuana" laws) were just as responsible for the violence then as people who use marijuana are now. I won't be using the stuff either way, but I want people to recognize that no matter how far removed they are from the street, if their money goes there, they are in part responsible for the violence.
Lobby to change the laws - it's fine with me. Just don't break them until then.
Kevin_Hunt
9:43 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
"My biggest concern about marijuana right now? It is inexorably linked to gun violence:"
What a joke...marijuana is linked to guns because the black market sellers have to use guns to protect their business interests. Take away the black market, and the violence goes away. When was the last time the cops seized guns from a beer truck driver?
You should know that drugabuse.gov invented the 'synthetic marijuana' that is sold at gas stations and kills people, unlike natural marijuana. Just another case of prohibition doing more harm than good.
JM
12:16 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Linked to gun violence? You must be crazy.
Alcohol is responsible for 95% of all domestic violence, 50% of all fatal automobile accidents and 100% of all fetal alcohol syndrome babies and tens of thousands of deaths annually in the US. Tobacco is responsible for over 400,000 deaths a year in the US and millions world wide. LEGAL Rx drugs kill more people a year than ALL of the illicit illegal drugs COMBINED and cannabis kills no one.
You understand very little about economics and black markets. The cartels want to keep Prohibition and black markets in place and so do you. Guess what? This is immoral policy? How much more drug war and murder do we need in our communities because you don't like people exercising their Liberty, getting high from a natural, god-given plant? Unless you're actively waging a jihad of your own against alcohol and Rx drugs, this is very hypocritical. They are FAR more dangerous.
John Snow
1:16 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
Elizabeth Hubbard, a thought for you. I work in a location where when Rosa Parks died ton's of co-workers were indignant that any attention was paid to her passing. The main argument I heard was that she was a law breaker! She broke the law was what one rabid evangelist kept saying. Bad laws have to be broken by good people. If cannabis is the only thing that can offer me relief and the drugs the government tells me I can use only do me harm I would be an idiot to not break the law. Besides, you don't have to smoke it, it is perfectly edible.
jeff
1:47 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
Christine,
Let's forget pot for a second. How about the pill and heroin problems? Those are killing kids and young adults in Chicago and the burbs. Most parents don't realize that they often are their child's first drug dealer. Leaving pills unattended and accessible to children is an open invitation for experimentation. Kids are dying from these drugs. Many of them begin using after smoking pot or drinking alcohol first.
Parents need to be vigilant. They need to be aware of what's happening in the community, like the mom who told you how easy it is to get marijuana at school. They also can use home drug test kits. They don't have to give the test, but have it on hand at home so that their child is empowered to tell those that offer them, "I can't do that. My parents test me." That's why we created the Teensavers Home Drug Test Kit. Parents can't always be there, before school, after school, out at extracurricular events. Drugs are. They are everywhere. They are on campus, and kids use them. They are at Friday night football games. They are at the movies, bowling, the pizza parlor. It's virtually impossible to keep our kids out of places where drugs are present, so all we can do is support them and educate them on the dangers of drugs.
Jeffrey Soto
Teensavers
www.myteensavers.com
Esoteric Knowledge
6:29 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
You shouldn't be violating children's 4th Amendment rights.
anonymous subscriber
1:56 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
Well i see i know a few names on here odd...Elizabeth hubbard anyway yess i agree as a concerned parent marijuana is an illegal drug and shouldnt be abused but i must state i have used the drug before several times and loved it but never carried on using it i believe if my child was using it in his future i would be dissapointed but i would exept it as long as he is smoking and beeing responsible about it i do believe it should be legal because it is proved harmless as long as not smoked out of a joint paper or cigar wrapper everyone has rights i believe no one should abuse them but thats there choice even a teen should have choice
IMHO
2:04 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
I was just looking out my bedroom window in NW Evanston and observed the 16-year-old boy next door as he snuck out the back basement entry of his house and got high. He was puffing on his pipe for a good 10 minutes in the 18 degree cold while his father is inside keeping busy with something. Several of this kids friends have recently been arrested (not the first offense for some) for possession of marijuana and being drunk. When I walk through the forest preserve on my way home from the train it is not unusual to see groups of boys - even middle school age - huddling in the woods smoking pot. I am not against the use of marijuana by responsible adults, but the use of pot by young kids in my neighborhood is astounding.
JM
12:23 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
There are no high school tequila dealers. Think about that. Why not?
It's not worth the effort for the little bit of $$ made and the hassle and risk. Liquor stores don't want to sell to kids and lose their license.
This is the very reason to regulate sales and get rid of the black market.
Joey Ismail
3:31 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
What does kids smoming pot have to do with its illegality? No on is saying kids should smoke weed, just like no one is saying they should drink beer or chew tobacco. That has zero to do with keeping marijuana illegla, which is by far one of the most disastrous policies of my lifetime. Lets not forget these three points. Marijuana is thousands of times safer than alcohol or cigarettes, giving people a safer choice to relax with could cut the amount of alcohol consumed in this country down considerably, that would be a very positive thing. Places like Amsterdam have less than 1/3rd the teen marijuana use that we have here, so clearly prohibiting the substance does nothing to curb teen use. And finally in a free country you are supposed to be free to make your own decisions. If you have the right to drink some wine, you better believe your neighbor is free to smoke a joint.
Debbie
7:02 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
I am one of those that agree with making pot legal and regulating and taxing it like we do cigarettes. There are a whole lot of substances like synthetic marijuana, pharmaceuticals (think about how many kids pop ADHD drugs when they don't medically require it) and alcohol that are legal and available everywhere. Is the issue here that pot should or should not be legal? Because for every pro stance article we can find one on the opposite side. But, if you truly want to break down the issues at the high school, then alcohol is a much larger issue than pot. I responded to Christine on Facebook with this as well, but ETHS is primarily broken down into those that drink and those that smoke. There are some that do both and, of course, there are some that have issues with other drugs. However, in response to LM's comments above, do not think for one second that your kid can't go purchase alcohol from a liquor store or get into a bar. Ask the kids where they purchase their booze from (through a back door in the alley) or what infamous Evanston bar STILL lets underage kids in by hopping the fence and giving the bouncer some cash or with the worst out of state fake ID's ever. Or where the kids could stop before school in the mornings or on lunch and buy a shot of most anything for a few bucks. Drinking is illegal for them and yet they find a way to get it. So, yes, there are, in a sense "tequila dealers".
Christine Wolf
4:59 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
I can't help thinking about this story from 2010 in which an 18-year-old admitted smoking pot one night, and then was involved in a hit and run in Winnetka the next morning (toxicology results showed traces of marijuana in her system), causing a traumatic brain injury to the 16-year-old Glencoe girl she hit: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-06-15/news/ct-met-hughes-0615-20100615_1_hit-and-run-lesser-charge-erin-hughes. Here's the blog detailing the victim's recovery: http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/sarahgoone1.
Adam Turetzky
6:13 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
I can't help but think how marijuana had nothing to do with this accident since it's effects wear off after 2 hours.
jud
2:25 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Marijuana laws reduce traffic fatalities:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/11/111129123257.htm
Marijuana helps people to move away from more harmful substances like alcohol which disturb fine motor coordination to a greater degree.
Also a study in 1995 noted :
This program of research has shown that marijuana, when taken alone, produces a moderate degree of driving impairment which is related to consumed THC dose. The impairment manifests itself mainly in the ability to maintain a lateral position on the road, but its magnitude is not exceptional in comparison with changes produced by many medicinal drugs and alcohol. Drivers under the influence of marijuana retain insight in their performance and will compensate when they can, for example, by slowing down or increasing effort. As a consequence, THC’s adverse effects on driving performance appear relatively small."
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/Misc/driving/s1p2.htm
Also, for people with certain mental disorders it actually might improve their driving.
A case study is presented here:
http://www.deepdyve.com/lp/elsevier/cannabinoids-improve-driving-ability-in-a-tourette-s-patient-0yeDuMT9nr?viewMode=multi
Malcolm Kyle
3:32 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
And I can't help thinking that you're simply just another unconscionable prohibitionist who's willing to misconstrue this whole issue in order to continue gifting the market in marijuana to terrorists, paramilitaries and blood-thirsty cartels.
* Fact: When combined 2002 to 2005 data are compared with combined 2006 to 2009 data, the United States as a whole experienced a statistically significant reduction in the rate of past year drugged driving (from 4.8 to 4.3 percent), as did seven States: Alaska, California, Florida, Hawaii, Iowa, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. Four of these seven States have legalized medicinal marijuana, Alaska, Hawaii, Michigan and California.
http://oas.samhsa.gov/2k10/205/DruggedDriving.htm
* Fact: California led the US to a nationwide, statistically significant reduction in the incidence of "drugged" driving during a time period when the number of patients claiming the protection of the California Compassionate Use Act and SB-420 increased by at least a factor of 10.
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/2011/may/31/million_medical_marijuana_patien
* Fact: The Journal of Psychoactive Drugs, Hartford Hospital in Connecticut and the University of Iowa Carver College of Medicine document states that MARIJUANA DOES NOT CAUSE DANGEROUS DRIVING: http://peaceandloveism.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=4692
Seymour Taylor
7:22 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Christine, one of the things I remember about that story was the lack of responsibility shown by the offender. She left the scene of the accident and when she was finally held accountable, daddys lawyers swooped in and she was free in a couple of days. The consequences to her was negligable and she received a lot of prefferential treatment. The reason I bring this up is because, the stereotypes of the marijuana user and seller are usually the ones caught selling on the street. These are the ones who end up doing ten years in jail for selling that dime bag. No special treatment for them, and no high priced lawyers to get them off. Perhaps if the enforcement is equal across the board then Marijuana would not be the easy drug of choice that it has become.
Brian
5:00 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
Want to talk about sending kids the wrong message? How about this: When I was in elementary school in the early 80's (during the Nancy Reagan "Just Say No" era) we were told horror stories about kids who smoked a joint and jumped from the top of a building because they thought they could fly and kids who smoked joints and then scratched all the skin off their arms because they thought they were covered in ants. These scare tactics are no different than the parents who told their children that making out gets you pregnant or venereal disease. Lying helps no one, and for the last 70 years people have been lying about marijuana (or at least trying to downplay the truth) because they thought that lying was necessary. What inevitably happens is that a kid smokes a joint, realizes that all the hype from their parents and school officials and the government is a bunch of B.S.; and then they begin to wonder what else they've been lied to about. There are real dangers associated with drugs, just as there are real dangers associated with caffeine, sugar, alcohol, trans-fats, the monkey bars, and a whole host of other things that kids come into contact with daily. If you want to protect your kids, give them information they can trust and use. But until we stop fear-mongering and start following a sensible drug policy that will never happen.
FlyingTooLow
6:34 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
@ Brian...
All excellent testimonials, Sir.
Thank you for sharing,
Hugh Yonn
Brian
5:13 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
On another note, let me tell you about my personal experience: I started smoking marijuana daily in my late twenties (I am thirty-nine now). I began smoking to combat my depression and anxiety issues because the meds I was being prescribed did not help. So what happened? My anxiety became manageable, my depression went away, I met and married a wonderful woman (we celebrate our 10th anniversary in a couple of months and yes, she smokes marijuana also), and I graduated from a state university with a Bachelor of Science degree (and I was high in every class and every test). I have had no health issues in spite of daily use for more than ten years, I have not become a heroine, crack, or meth addict (I've never even tried them nor do I want to), I have never been arrested (although this remains a danger), and I am no more lazy than I ever was. Everything about drug use for me and my family has been positive (aside from the legality issue). I have a daughter who I plan to be open and honest with and show her that personal responsibility comes first. I realize that my experience does not mirror every single case, but I am living proof that marijuana is not the demon it is made out to be, and I have several friends whose experience is similar. And yet, in the eyes of the state and many of my fellow citizens I am a criminal and a danger. But alcohol is legal. It doesn't make sense no matter how you slice it.
Christine Wolf
8:41 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
Brian, thank you for being open and honest. Yours is the scenario many kids hang on to. I must ask, though: do you consider yourself the norm (in terms of users)? I mean that with great respect.
Malcolm Kyle
3:35 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
@Christine, are you really interested in knowing what the norm is? How about this:
MARIJUANA IS USED BY THE MAJORITY OF SPORTS PEOPLE EVERYWHERE:
"Everybody thinks that if you did this random testing you’d catch so many guys on PEDs. No, you’d catch more of the guys on marijuana. So [we've got] 475 guys under contract and 400 of them would be out with marijuana [suspensions]."
—Dana White, president of the UFC.
"At least a good 50 [US] Olympic athletes use marijuana regularly before they stop in time for testing."
—Stephany Lee
"I just let him know that most of the players in the league use marijuana and I have and do partake in smoking weed in the offseason"
—Josh Howard, forward for the Dallas Mavericks. Howard admitted to smoking marijuana on Michel Irvin's ESPN show.
"You got guys out there playing high every night. You got 60% of your league on marijuana. What can you do?"
—Charles Oakley (Chicago Bulls, New York Knicks, Toronto Raptors, Washington Wizards and Houston Rockets)
"I personally know boxers, body builders, cyclists, runners and athletes from all walks of life that train and compete with the assistance of marijuana,"
—WWE wrestler Rob Van Dam
* In 2001, half of South Africa's cricket team was caught smoking marijuana with the team physiotherapist. They were celebrating a championship victory in the Caribbean.
Brian
2:41 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
That is a tricky question to answer. I know many people personally who use marijuana. Most have a similar story to mine (in that their use is either positive or at least benign). I also know quite a few people for whom drug use has completely wrecked their lives, but in every one of those cases marijuana is coincidental, and much of their problem arises either from marijuana combined with other substances (such as alcohol which is WAY problematic), or due simply to the illegality of their drug of choice. I don't know a single person whose life has been up-ended simply from marijuana. Anything can be a negative. How many people die every year as the result of food addiction? We never hear those statistics because it's not as sexy or titillating as drug stories. My point is that marijuana does not take a healthy, happy, normal person and turn them into a lazy pot-head or a violent dope fiend (as is the case with cocaine or meth). People who exhibit those characteristics would be that way with or without marijuana. The problem is that since the days of Harry Anslinger our country has been lied to in an effort to shape public opinion for reasons other than our protection. Marijuana is not illegal because the government is concerned with our safety or our health. You cannot find one case of someone dying from smoking marijuana in the history of the world. But every year we see deaths from alcohol, tobacco, even caffeine. So why aren't those illegal?
Brian
2:47 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
I would urge you to do some research on the history of the prohibition of marijuana and take a look at what the government has told us over the years, beginning in the 40's and going through the 1990's. You will find that none of their arguments hold water when examined closely, and that drug prohibition has more to do with racism, profit margins, and societal control that it does with a concern for public health. I would say that if you removed the prohibition against marijuana you would find that the majority of cases would be very similar to my own. After all, the last three presidents are admitted pot-smokers, and the current president is famous for it. I notice that their lives weren't ruined (although they would have been had a cop caught them).
Brian
2:57 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
I would also like to add after reading through some of the comments (and by the way we should be having a discussion; hurling insults does no one any good) discussing the effects of marijuana on IQ; as I said earlier in my comments I obtained a Bachelor's of Science while being a daily user. Prior to using marijuana I was a C average student. I found it hard to focus on studying. After I became a marijuana user (granted in college, not high school; I am NOT in favor of high schoolers smoking pot recreationally), I found that I could concentrate better, and that subjects became infinitely more interesting. I graduated with a 3.8 average, and scored in the top ten percent on the CBASE (yes, I was high when I took it). My degree is in Geography with a minor in Anthropology, heavy influence on science and history. I would argue that I could not have done as well without marijuana.
420 College
5:58 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
we've been sending the wrong message for years. It all started with the "war on Drugs" users. And teaching people how something harmless can can cause real danger to people. Oh, nut try to talk about gun regulations...all hell will break loose. You're right miss educating our kids has been a problem for a long time and it continues. Unfortunately, we're educating them about the wrong things. Marijuana is not one of those. You might wanna educate kids on the dangerous prescription drugs, or alcohol addiction. You've been miss educating people by lying to them about how a plant is more dangerous then heroin, cocaine and meth (that's probably why they put those drugs in Schedule II and marijuana in Schedule I). If this was "upside down" world, then YES we are sending the wrong message. http://420college.org
PhilDeBowl
6:03 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
@christine wolf, So what's your point? An underage
person got some MJ and sh!+ happened,happens all the time with alcohol doesn't it,are we prohibiting alcohol?
Adam Turetzky
6:18 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
10 years ago Portugal decriminalized all drugs. The program has been a resounding success.
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/health/addiction/huge-success-10-years-after-portugal-legalizes-all-drugs
Esoteric Knowledge
6:21 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
The study cited has been proven a fraud, just recently actually by the National Academy of Sciences, long, long after all the "stupid" potheads used their brains to figure it out with simple logic. I don't know if that says a lot about marijuana users or makes the National Academy of Sciences look bad.
So no, it doesn't alter your brain cells. And if a minority class is being labled as stupid or lazy and segments of American society, including the Federal Government Employeers and would rather let them die in the street than allow them a place in society, then there is some serious problems with bigotry that American society needs to solve. I seem to remember another minority group that American society tried to limit and destroy, black people, remember those people? But black people can get jobs today, and marijuana users are not allowed jobs. And it seems to be a problem for American society not for the innocent victims.
I could go on about how God-given rights are being violated, civil rights are being violated, the 4th Amedment is being violated, how the White House is claiming the power of God to limit and deny humankind birthrights, and the massive amount of data that is being kept from human experience because hysteria over a naturally occuring species, etc...but let's try to deal with one issue at a time.
Jennifer Fisher
7:15 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
Thanks for commenting. Would you share the link to the study you're referencing so other readers can take a look? Thank you!
Esoteric Knowledge
11:49 am on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
Oh, you don't think I have it, Jennifer?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/14/marijuana-study-teens-pot-iq-drop-flawed_n_2473936.html
Esoteric Knowledge
12:26 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
Hey Jennifer, too bad there are no articles discussing the American Government's maleficence in violating civil rights, violating the 4th Amendment, violating the Declaration of Independence, violating the freedom of speech, violating the freedom of religion, the Government occupying the position of God, the meaning of life and where God is. :)
Christine Wolf
8:48 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
@PhilDeBowl, what's my point? My point is simply this: I'm a non-user AND a parent. Are you a parent? For anyone who wonders, it's a complex issue to tackle right now. I'm trying to gain perspective from readers. That's my point.
Malcolm Kyle
3:10 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Christine, prohibition has helped to make all of these prohibited substances freely available in schools, and even prisons —how has that helped our kids?
Prohibition has also raised gang warfare to a level not seen since the days of alcohol bootlegging —how has that helped our kids?
Prohibition has creating a prison-for-profit synergy with drug-lords, terrorists, and corrupt law enforcement agencies —how has that helped our kids?
Prohibition has removed many of our cherished and important civil liberties —how has that helped our kids?
Prohibition has put many previously unknown and contaminated drugs on our streets —how has that helped our kids?
Prohibition has escalating Murder, Theft, Muggings, and Burglaries —how has that helped our kids?
Prohibition has overcrowded the courts and prisons, thus making it increasingly impossible to curtail the people who are really hurting and terrorizing others —how has that helped our kids?
Prohibition has evolved local street gangs into transnational enterprises with intricate power structures that reach into every corner of society, and with significant social and military resources at their disposal —how has that helped our kids?
Kevin_Hunt
9:01 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
" according to a New Zealand study published last year."
Here's a quote from Richard Poulton, the lead researcher in the U. Of Otago, New Zealand study that shows the alleged big IQ drop and decrease in cognitive functioning that all the anti legalization foes refer to as evidence for their case:
"Only approx. 5% (52) of the 1037 individuals"...scored lower...(985 did not, but no mention of them)...."Thus any effect of cannabis on the brain is confined to a relatively small segment of the population." What happened to the other 985 in the study? No mention of them at all.
"The White House’s Office of National Drug Control Policy also opposes marijuana legalization, "
Because they are required by law to do so. According to Title VII Office of National Drug Control Policy Reauthorization Act of 1998: H11225: The Director shall ensure that no Federal funds appropriated to the Office of National Drug Control Policy shall be expended for any study or contract relating to the legalization (for a medical use or any other use) of a substance listed in schedule I of section 202 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 812) and take such actions as necessary to oppose any attempt to legalize the use of this substance (in any form).
Kevin_Hunt
9:01 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
"It alters your brain cells."
“…However, the level of marijuana use -- up to nine times a week during the 18 months -- was not linked to a change in brain tissue health.
A teen who consumes alcohol is likely to have reduced brain tissue health, but a teen who uses marijuana is not, according to a new study.
The study was conducted by researchers at UC San Diego and is scheduled to be published in the April issue of the journal Alcoholism: Clinical & Experimental Research.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/21/teens-marijuana-brain-tissue-alcohol_n_2331779.html?utm_hp_ref=marijuana
"(or even what’s mixed in to what you’re buying)"
There are no documented instances of marijuana dispensaries selling marijuana that has any other drugs 'mixed in' with it. Prohibition marijuana could be laced with anything. Another reason to legalize it.
"and then you’ll start using other, stronger things to get that same high."
The vast majority of marijuana users do not move on to hard drugs. Most marijuana users try alcohol first, which is a 'harder' drug than marijuana.
scienceblog.com/12116/study-says-marijuana-no-gateway-drug
jud
12:34 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Idiot. Idiot. Idiot.
The entire article reads like propaganda. A whole list of anecdotal evidence followed by a lot of hand waiving and statistics about usage rates going up.
You only provided ONE Study showing it was bad for kids, and that study has come under fire in the last two days. A new study reanalyzing the data has shown the differences were more likely due to income, family abuse, and other similar factors.
So that pretty much tanks your entire argument.
Christine Wolf
1:15 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Jud,
You had me until you called me an idiot three times.
Since I wrote and submitted my piece last week (published Monday, the same day the study you reference was published), I wouldn't say I'm being irresponsible for not including it...how could I include something I knew nothing about? I'm glad it's being mentioned in the comments section and that we're having a dialogue about it. But to call my opinion "propaganda" is just silly. It's an opinion column, man! Jud, I just have to ask: are you high right now? If I didn't know any better, I'd say you're acting a bit paranoid...
jud
2:27 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Paranoid. Is that the best you can do?
I think you're leaning a little too hard on that one.
As far as your excuse, those researchers raised those critiques immediately after the study was publicized. In fact within days, the original researchers put out statements acknowledging they had failed to account for a host of things. Your article lacks any of the dialogue that occurred in the scientific community concerning the original study.
Of course you say you wrote it, what a week ago? I guess it took so long to write, you couldn't be bothered to proof it the day it was published. Whatever. Your standards not mine.
Also, are you saying you don't make money off your writings? If you aren't making money for this, then my bad. I guess that would make us 1:1 right?
Anyway. Its ironic. You are the one that plays to paranoia. Misquoting the conclusions of studies, mongering to fear, and then turning those very traits against those who have launched legitimate criticism. Your entire article is based on a model of harm you fail to substantiate.
Paranoid? I'm not the one that wrote your article.
(if this posts twice, my bad)
Malcolm Kyle
3:18 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Christine, anybody with any inkling of the subject of 'drug policy' can spot all the prohibitionist skewed junk science a mile off. If you have no clue concerning this subject then why write about it at all? Kindly read the following very carefully, and then promise us you'll pay far better attention the next time you go anywhere near a keyboard. Here it is:
"Narcotics police are an enormous, corrupt international bureaucracy … and now fund a coterie of researchers who provide them with ‘scientific support’ … fanatics who distort the legitimate research of others.… The anti-marijuana campaign is a cancerous tissue of lies, undermining law enforcement, aggravating the drug problem, depriving the sick of needed help, and suckering well-intentioned conservatives and countless frightened parents." – William F. Buckley, commentary in The National Review, April 29, 1983, p. 495
We will always have adults who are too immature to responsibly deal with tobacco, alcohol, heroin, cocaine, meth, various prescription drugs, gambling, and even food. Our answer to them should always be: Get a Nanny, and stop turning the government into one for the rest of us!
John Snow
8:55 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Maybe the only way to get a response from you is to say things 3 times... lets see. Racist, racist, racist. Marijuana laws are racist and classist. Anslinger was a racist. Pharmaceutical companies want us to buy their expensive poisons and they want to outlaw all alternatives. I had my doctor telling me I should not take St. Johns Wart because the the anti depressants he prescribed were more standardized.
Jesse L Payton
1:27 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
I was put in prison at age 20 for breaking probation for being caught with a pipe then flunking a drug test. State Farm Indiana. I was a misdemeanor and was put with murderers and rapist and the freaking Arien Brotherhood. I have my own web design business now I am 37. I have a degree. I have 2 young daughters, 9 and 11. I tell them when dare comes to their class ask how many people have died from weed, I tell them ask how many people have died from 2 many video games. Their mother has been caught driving drunk with them in the car, 3 times the legal limit...TWICE...and still gets to retain joint custody. I worked 12 hour days for 6 years in a steel mill...got high when I got home at like 3 am...when I went to divorce court...she cried Marijuana...i lost custody the whole divorce period...I have joint custody half and half..they are older now ..they the know the truth...they know I will punish them and take anything I find (and smoke it, but they don't know that) they know I don't lie, I also tell them if it was legal that cop in their school may have to go get a real job or at least go after criminals and risk his life, like we pay him to do, not take a dog to see a class of elementary kids...and I tell them counselors, lawyers, drug resting companies...would loose a lot of money if it was legal...I REFUSE TO LIE TO MY KIDS. Now go drink some beer hypocrite prohibitionist.
Jesse L Payton
1:34 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
And I'm sorry but the woman who acts like shes just gathering info is just dancing lightly, she knows what she is doing. Trying to artfully use studies and facts and push her own beliefs on others. I don't play this fake ass game anymore. Get real and get over the fact that its not up to you WHAT WE PUT IN OUR BODIES AS ADULTS. I do NOT condone kids smoking anything. But as adults if you have to pay taxes...its your right. PERIOD.
John Doe
3:27 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
I think the posters above are being a bit hard on Christine, as her effort in the comment section seems to be more focused on gathering reader response and honestly gauging her own opinion.
The inconsistencies of the IQ study has already been discussed, and she admitted the problems as such with that line of arguing.
I think a large problem with arguments over the scientific merits and issues of Marijuana is that there really isn't much conclusive evidence. That which is forwarded my groups like the NIDA isn't very well explained.
Take the "Marijuana has x4 the amount of tar" piece of data. As a marijuana smoker myself this fact is pretty well established. However, interpreting it is another issues altogether. Tar itself is not cancerous. Tobacco also contains Nicotine, which hardens the arteries, exacerbates the effects of tar, helps proliferate cancer growth in the heart and lungs, whereas THC in Marijuana acts as a bronchial dilator, opens the lungs, and assists in the clearing of dirt and and smoke.
John Doe
3:35 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Further, Marijuana smokers do not smoke nearly as often or in the amounts cigarette smokers do, so much of the tar effect is mitigated.
For sure, from a scientific standpoint, cigarette smoke is far worse for your lungs and body in general than Marijuana smoke, though I can understand the lack of appeal for either. Current scientific research suggests cannabidiol, a compound found in Marijuana possess anti-cancer properties by stopping metastasis.
Part of the problem with further exploring what medical properties the drug might have come from the regulatory power of the national institute for drug abuse. The aforementioned group is largely responsible for research grants regarding the properties of marijuana, and given the stated purpose of the group (stopping drug abuse), the majority of its funding (well over 90%) is funneled toward abuse research rather than clinical research. It's very hard to research marijuana legitimately in the US, and that siphoning off of research casts a great deal of doubt on the legitimacy of scientific debate on the drug.
Malcolm Kyle
3:41 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Christine, do any of these people have something to do with your motivation to write such a clearly biased article?
Ryan Donaghy, Chairman of the Board Donaghy Sales, LLC Alcoholic beverage distributer, steadily funds anti-marijuana efforts
Ron Fowler, Immediate Past Chairman Liquid Investments, LLC Alcoholic beverage distributer, steadily funds anti-marijuana efforts
Tom Reyes, Vice Chairman Crest Beverage, LLC; Gate City Beverage Distributors-San Bernardino; Harbor Distributing, LLC-Anaheim, Gardena, Santa Ana Alcoholic beverage distributer, steadily funds anti-marijuana efforts
David “Duke” Reyes, Chief Financial Officer Crest Beverage, LLC; Gate City Beverage Distributors-San Bernardino; Harbor Distributing, LLC-Anaheim, Gardena, Santa Ana Alcoholic beverage distributer, steadily funds anti-marijuana efforts
Peter Heimark, Secretary Heimark Distributing Co. Triangle Distributing Co. Alcoholic beverage distributer, steadily funds anti-marijuana efforts
Terence Fox, NBWA CA Director M.E. Fox and Co. Alcoholic beverage distributer, steadily funds anti-marijuana efforts
Travis Markstein, NBWA CA Director Markstein Beverage Co. Sacramento; Markstein Beverage Co. San Marcos Alcoholic beverage distributer, steadily funds anti-marijuana efforts
Cherisse Alford, CBBD PAC Chair Alford Distributing, Alcoholic beverage distributer, steadily funds anti-marijuana efforts .. etc .. etc ..etc ..
http://1anonymouslegion.com/whoiskeepingcannabisillegal/
bowtiesarecool
3:49 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
The second sentence of this article points out the flawed conclusion of its author:
“It’s everywhere,” she said.
PROHIBITION DOES NOT WORK. Simple as. If it did, it wouldn't be everywhere, right? I will go further:
In 1937, marijuana was first prohibited. According to the FBN, there were 55,000 users in the US at that time. In 2011, according to the ONDCP, there are 55 million regular marijuana users. Could the failure of this policy be any more clear? Do we really have to ask why this is the case? Are we so ignorant of economic theory in this country? Making something insanely profitable to sell, guarantees that people will sell it. Drug law "success" is measured by our DEA by how much they can raise the street prices of substances. Our DEA's measure of success, is a guarantee that more will enter the marketplace. If one believes that this just cannot be a fact, I present a challenge; name one prohibition, of any substance, in any country, in any period of written history, that has been successful..... It has NEVER occurred. Why would we expect a different result this time, if after 75 years, we have only confirmation, from scientists to high school students, that it is happening again?
So, now we must look at the issue in a different light. Since it doesn't stop the supply, are drug laws a worthwhile pursuit? Let's, for arguments sake, assume all you claims of harm to be true (they aren't). If your child is caught, do you want them to go to prison? Will that help?
John Doe
3:57 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
As for the question posed at the bottom of the column, I first smoked in 11th grade. I didn't begin to use marijuana regularly until college, and I am currently in law school.
I don't feel particularly guilty. While I am aware the law notes it is illegal, that isn't much of a deterrent. Marijuana was established as a schedule one drug with virtually no scientific evidence to do so (a multitude of groups from Nixon's own National Commission on Marijuana and Drug Abuse to the AMA have suggested rescheduling), mostly as a political aim, and there are serious legal issues with its enforcement. For one, nowhere does the Constitution allow the federal government to order or require states to create a particular criminal law or enforce federal criminal law (for example, Marijuana possession)
I feel it is an issue the government is severely lagging behind the people on. A multitude of polling suggests that a majority of Americans support the legalization of Marijuana, and an even larger majority regularly poll in support of medical marijuana. Unfortunately that decision is left up to a small unaccountable portion of government for whom the people have no recourse.
The above is why disobeying the law doesn't bother me. If you don't view the law as just, I don't think you have an obligation to follow it.
I don't have children, yet, but I intend to tell them to explore the science and issues of Marijuana themselves to come to their own conclusions.
Annonymous
5:51 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Cannabis is safer than Alcohol. Emergency room visits and the fact that Alcohol in excess can kill a person by respiratory failure speak for themselves. Alcohol also inhibits executive function in the brain. So the ability to make rational decisions diminishes with every drink consumed. Cannabis does not do this. Cannabis can be eaten and does not to be smoked at all. When it is smoked, there is less incidence of lung cancer as compared to tobacco use. There are carcinogens associated with the incineration of cannabis in the form of a joint, but it seems that cannabis has a protective effect thus reducing lung cancer incidence. Children as a reason to continue prohibition is misguided and misleading. Children have easier access to cannabis under prohibition. So if aim is to reduce teen use then cannabis will have to be regulated. Simply keeping the prohibition model going will not accomplish this objective. Furthermore, decreasing their chances for student loans and the possibility of having a criminal record will not motivate them or place them in a position to make better choices. Incarceration will lead to educating them into criminal behaviors and likely to scar them for life. As a society we will pay the price of keeping this model going. As a matter of public policy, cannabis should be taxed and regulated for adults over age 21.
annie
6:51 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
1. Try drug testing your kid. 2. They can beat the system and they learn from their friends how to detox themselves. 3. Kids that smoke pot everyday, usually are too "stoned" to care about good grades and their futures. 4. Kids that smoke pot everyday usually do not have good grades. 5. As parents, if you have to ask, you know the answer. 6. Been there, done that. 7. Watched my kid go from straight A to straight F student, and couldn't figure out why...hah! Naive parent! 8. When that kid STOPPED smoking pot, guess what happened? Straight A student returned and graduated on time. 9. One year ago, I thought that kid would be a 5 year senior.
Anyone can justify smoking pot in teens, I am here to tell you, it screws them up and I would never advocate for legalization of pot.
Most job applications ask if you have ever been arrested/convicted of drugs, and most jobs drug test before you get that job.
I grew up in the 70s, I had friends at my hs that were dropping acid like it was candy, and I went to the girls school in the town next door.
By the way, all drugs can be obtained at any high school in America, not just "your" high school. If a kid wants it, it's there. Heroin? is available. If you try heroin once, you are hooked for life. Be smart parents, and make sure your kids understand that if they try it once, they will always want it. And knowing that, drug dealers, pass out heroin packets for "a free try".
Kevin_Hunt
9:29 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
" I am here to tell you, it screws them up and I would never advocate for legalization of pot....By the way, all drugs can be obtained at any high school in America, "
These two concepts are related. Marijuana is available in high schools because dealers can make loads of money selling it. We don't see much alcohol dealing in high schools because the liquor stores have undercut the illegal market. Ask your kid if it is easier for him/her to get marijuana or alcohol.
Teen use went down in Colorado after the dispensaries opened in 2009.
Esoteric Knowledge
12:04 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
Yes, and most jobs are violating the 4th Amendment. It is bigotry. It has nothing to do with safety, because American society is just fine with people having a drink after work. The goal is to destroy a class of people.
Joseph Phillips
7:41 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Maybe teens don't want to die from drinking alcohol and smoking cigarettes. Maybe they don't want to relive the deadly, delusional results of moralizing oppression. Suck an egg.
Millie
7:54 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Smoking weed
Back away from the bong, junior. This may seem like a no-brainer, but Duke University researchers have found that smoking marijuana consistently from adolescence causes "neuropsychological decline broadly across domains of functioning, even after controlling for years of education." The scariest part? Even after test subjects quit using, their IQs never recovered.
Adam Turetzky
8:50 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Hey Millie, three, maybe four, times above people have already commented that the study you are referring to has been called into question and the data deemed flawed by other researchers and boards.
You know what really is scary? Medical science has no idea how aspirin works. They know it reduces pain and inflammation but not really how it does this. Also, about 10 grams of it taken at once is lethal. It's sold to anyone at any drug store without a prescription or control. In the year 2000 in the United States aspirin was used to successfully commit suicide at least 52 times.
Marijuana has no known lethal dose and no one has ever died from smoking it. Ever.
Kevin_Hunt
9:24 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Back away from the bottle, grandma...this is reefer madness.
Once you can justify the fed's assertion that industrial hemp should be classified in schedule I, more harmful than cocaine or meth, I'll believe your reefer madness.
Does industrial hemp cause the bogus symptoms that you are claiming from your flawed study?
Derek MacIntire
8:43 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
If Colorado or Washington's 'peace keepers' sworn oath is anything like Maryland's than I don't see where the so called "conundrum" is. - 03 The Oath: “I swear (or affirm) that I will support the Constitution of the United States, and that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to the State of Maryland and support the Constitution and laws thereof; and that I will, to the best of my skill and judgment diligently and faithfully, without partiality or prejudice, execute the office of police officer according to the Constitution and laws of this State.” http://www.greenbeltmd.gov/police/oath_of_office.htm
bowtiesarecool
2:08 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Exactly. If there is an enumerated power in the US Constitution that grants the feds the authority to regulate what a citizen eats or smokes, they would be duty bound to support it. Since there isn't, the 10th Amendment says the power belongs to the States or the people. The people decided the state law. Case closed. Enforce the laws that they are sworn to uphold.
Derek MacIntire
8:49 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Also, there is a pharmaceutical epidemic going on right now in this country. Marijuana is the least harmful and addictive substance known to man. Sugar, caffeine, and fast food are gateways. (Obesity is a problem) Kids on adderall and the like...
anonymous
8:50 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
NN
J C
9:10 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
A whole generation of Pauly Shore's.......As if this country wasn't bad enough already. Glob help us..
Kevin_Hunt
9:21 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
"Glob help us"?
Show us your peer-reviewed study that proves that prohibition has reduced the number of Pauly Shores.
J C
1:23 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
LOL if only I could...But really isn't just one too many?
Esoteric Knowledge
12:11 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
Actually, the threat is smarter people--this is why no government can tolerate it, governments want to keep people stupid. Accusations of stupidity is psychological projection from the stupid people who feel threatened by individuals who seek out knowledge and consciousness expansion.
Mike Parent
9:40 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
"On more than one occasion, I’ve heard kids say they believe drinking alcohol is more dangerous than smoking pot. When asked where they got that idea, the answer’s always consistent: “We learned it in school.” (According to this HuffPost column, the theory holds water)."
And they're right. Here's the Science that says so; FACT Marijuana is less addictive and less harmful than Caffeine, let alone alcohol;.
Dr Henningfield is a former NIDA Staffer;.
Addictiveness of Marijuana - ProCon.org.
http://www.procon.org/view.background-resource.php?resourceID=1492
The Original NZ study was a Contrived, Red Herring, GIGO! Any pre-teen child who allegedly was a daily user of marijuana or any other substance had severe social issues, not the least of which was zero parental guidance and supervision. There were NO controls in that "study." They had no idea what other substances they were using over the many years or what activities these people were engaging in. To apply the "Findings" to marijuana use was, at best, specious. BTW, who funded the NZ "Study"?
Mike Parent
9:41 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
"THE CHILDREN" If they really cared for the children they'd legalize and regulate marijuana. If they really wanted to keep any substance out of the hands of "The Children" they first must take control of distribution away from black market dealers. They haven't accomplished that in 40+ years at a taxpayers cost in the hundreds of billions. It's time to treat marijuana as we do alcohol. My 27 year old daughter still gets carded when she buys alcohol, yet your 13 year old can buy anything the black market dealer has for a price whether it be money or "something else". FACT: Your kids have a better chance dying at the hands of someone enforcing marijuana laws than they do from ingesting it.(ZERO %).
http://www.pitt.edu/~ugr/Hrych2.pdf Scientific Proof Marijuana is not a Gateway drug!
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-57456999-10391704/medical-marijuana-legalization- wont-boost-teen-pot-use-study-finds/
LEAP member, NYPD, ret.
Jim
9:51 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
1. Drugs affect different people differently, ususally along a normal distribution curve, some very little, some extreme.
2. Most mind altering drugs affect the neocortex of the brain first and therefore alter the highest functions of thought and judgement.
3. Given number 1 above and number 2 above, that explains why some people on drugs can operate safely and some cannot.
4. Alcohol is the single most destructive drug in society, has ruined more lives and health than all of the other drugs combined.
5. A drug is any substance not occurring naturally in the human body or any drug which does occur naturally used in amounts not physiologic.
6. All drugs should be avoided unless medically necessary.
7. The abuse of any drug by those who are adversely affected is a form of natural selection (the sociological type).
8, Statistical studies do not "prove" anything. They simply conclude that a postulate is supported or not. Cause and effect statistics are even less reliable. particularly when complex issues are incolved.
Jim
10:41 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
I forgot two other points:
9. ALL drugs have undesirable side effects, known or not.
10. Underlying personality and character traits will be exacerbated by mind altering drugs, including alcohol. Funny people get funnier and mean people get meaner.
Also, Christine, you may wish to read Keith Albow's piece on the present generation of parents and their children. Fox news, I know but may have some trut to it.The link follows:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/01/08/are-raising-generation-deluded-narcissists/
Mike Parent
10:42 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
http://www.wakingtimes.com/2013/01/11/top-10-cannabis-studies-the-government-wished-it-had-never-funded/
FlyingTooLow
11:22 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
I smoked my first joint in December, 1967, at the tender age of 21.
Now, a mere 44 years later, I still smoke pot. I have never 'graduated' to 'harder' drugs. Nor, have I ever harmed anyone.
I am living proof that this prohibitionist propaganda is a fallacy...a blatant lie.
The worst experience I had with marijuana was spending 5 years in Federal Prison for a pot offense.
While there, I watched armed bank robbers come and go in as little as 20 months.
When I went to the parole board after more than 3 years 'behind the wall,' I pointed this out to the panel members. Their response: "You must understand that yours was a very serious offense."
I laughed about that for another 2 years (as I still sat in prison)...then wrote my book:
Shoulda Robbed a Bank.
Tales of adventure in the marijuana trade. I admit, I had a great time...except for prison. That was not much fun.
John Brinkmann
11:35 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
so pot is easy for HS kids to get a hold of---wow!---big news there----very much the same scenario some 40 years ago when I went to ETHS....and here I am now 55 and seen well over 50 people I knew from HS either dead or close to it from alcohol and drugs----and the pot smokers?---haven't seen it kill even one yet...(PS---this doesn't mean I condone HS kids smoke pot nor mean that I smoke pot--:)---just stating my observations---and I personally don't classify marijuana as a drug)
Gordon Zerkel
11:47 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
I just want to address the question of relative safety.....to smoking cigarettes. A previous reader had repeated the myth that smoking marijuana is, "...thousands times safer than smoking cigarettes." Explain that to my sister-in-law. My brother stopped smoking cigarettes 40 years ago but, buying into that myth, continued smoking weed the rest of his (otherwise very healthy) life...until it came to an abrupt end when he was diagnosed, too late, with stage four lung cancer. Upon his diagnosis, he pleaded with friends and family and anyone who would listen, "Don't smoke anything!!!"
Don't kid yourself. Smoking kills. Smoking anything.
Kevin_Hunt
11:49 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Ever heard of vaporizers and edibles?
bowtiesarecool
12:19 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Marijuana does not impair lung function—at least not in the doses inhaled by the majority of users, according to the largest and longest study ever to consider the issue, which was published today in the Journal of the American Medical Association.
Researchers working on a long-term study of risk factors for cardiovascular disease (the Coronary Artery Risk Development in Young Adults or CARDIA study) tested the lung function of 5115 young adults over the course of 20 years, starting in 1985 when they were aged 18 to 30.
That was a bit of a surprise, says Pletcher, since “There are clearly adverse effects from tobacco use and marijuana smoke has a lot of the same constituents as tobacco smoke does so we thought it might have some of the same harmful effects. It’s a weird effect to see and we couldn’t make it go away,” he adds, explaining that the researchers used statistical models to look for errors or other factors that could explain the apparent benefit and did not find them.
Read more: http://healthland.time.com/2012/01/10/study-smoking-marijuana-not-linked-with-lung-damage/#ixzz2I4MrfAzw
PhilDeBowl
12:03 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
@christine wolf,
If it's perspective you seek you will be well served to listen to malcomb,kevin and other commentors,instead of inserting a sensationalist story about a traffic accident that may or may not have been caused by the use of an illegal drug by a teenager. You are correct when you say that minors should never,never,never use MerryWanna,just as they should abstain from tobacco,alcohol,sex,prescription drugs,UNTILL they are Adults,at that point they have the right to make their own choices and You have No Say. I am a Father and a Grandfather+5,and I support the legalization of MerryWanna for Adult use because I want my children to have the option of useing the safer alternative to tobacco,alcohol,or prescription drugs.If you study the history of MJ then you would know that prohibition of cannabis is based on lies.
JM
12:43 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Please stop with the "What about the children?" arguments. You're not "protecting" children by continuing the drug war, you're only continuing to endanger them. MJ is already prevalent. The very best policy is one of education and harm reduction - like we've done with tobacco: it is merely "tolerated" now, but not made illegal. And less teens out there are smoking because the truth is out - no propaganda required. Putting people in jail destroys their lives, their families and communities. The war on drugs has filled our prisons to 6 times that per capita of ANY other nation. Once in prison, many inmates will associate with gangs to survive This has, in turn, resulted in the destruction of inner city communities now that role models are removed from families and gangs begin to supplant normal ties. This is a high-risk environment for kids to try to grow up, go to school, learn, learn values, and get a quality education, must less survive getting to school and home intact. It has made police the enemy in these communities and promoted "gangster culture" into american popular culture. Prohibition policy is an incubator for organized crime and the death and mayhem that comes with them. There have been over 45,000 murders in the last 6 years in Mexico because of this policy. Would we stand for this in the U.S.? Anyone who is serious about wanting to reduce gun violence should be demanding an end to this insanity. End Prohibition Now!
LaVerne
2:54 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Government has come a long way with marijuana since some cities and suburbs decided its a good revenue source
bowtiesarecool
3:31 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Revenue source or not, prohibition is a major cost. What bothers me most about prohibition is that what we are doing is making smart people pay for what we determine to be stupid decisions made by stupid people. If stupid people decide to make a stupid decision to use drugs, why should the smart pay to protect them?
People who don't do drugs have paid $2.4 trillion dollars so far for our "war", but the costs go far beyond monetary ones. We release violent criminals early to make room for drug users. Our homes and businesses are robbed by addicts, so that they can pay black market prices for their fixes. Parts of our cities are turned into shooting galleries, where law abiding citizens can't go, because of drug dealers defending their turf. Limited police resources are diverted from defending us from or the capture of real criminals. Our schools are filled with drug dealers instead of it being sold by licensed vendors as we do with legal products. We've turned selling plant matter into a multi billion dollar industry, guaranteeing that there will be those that sell it, and because it is illegal, those that do will only be the most violent among us. Prohibition makes us all less safe, and the only justification that prohibitionists have is that legalization would make those who decide to use drugs less safe. Yet they still make that decision, it isn't stopping use.
Robert P. Mark
4:35 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Christine - Parents will never see these kinds of topics the way people who don't have kids will, I think. That perspective just changes you.
As a parent sure I'd be trying to figure out how to talk to my daughter about drugs or booze. But I'd also want to know why she tried them in the first place. Without understanding that, we'll never figure out what we're up against.
Was that last joint a cry to fit in with other seniors? Or is this simply the first time I've caught her at it recently and this is a long pattern of trying to zone out -- as Christine said -- to cope with some tough part of life?A drink here and there is one thing. Someone who's under the table four nights a week is a whole other problem.
Same thing on the joint. I wouldn't tell my daughter it's OK to smoke in our house or even on the back porch. Now if I miss her trying and I'm watching, that says one thing. BTW, to that person's comments about parenting, I think good parents are always on the lookout for odd behavior. They may not call attention to everything, but they're looking.
If my daughter's smoking on the back porch and neighbors see it and say nothing though, or I'm clueless about what's happening, or even worse, I see the behavior and assume it's just kids and that for sure it will all work out, then we've got a couple of really big problems.
And for the record, if my neighbor saw my daughter smoking a pipe on the back porch, I'd want them to tell me ... 4th amendment or not.
bowtiesarecool
4:54 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Robert: The crux of the matter with prohibition is your last sentence. Of course you'd want them to tell you. But, and I ask this in all sincerity, as a father of two myself, would you want them to tell the police? Would you rather have our government decide if and how your child is reprimanded for this act. Smoking marijuana is a finite "crime". It doesn't hurt anybody else, it won't hurt your daughter permanently. A marijuana arrest, however, is infinite. She could be denied access to university entrance. A police record. Incarceration may expose her to who knows what on the inside. An infinite punishment for a finite crime is the definition of injustice. The police don't know what kind of kid your daughter, or any body else's daughter, is when they pick them up. They don't care if it is the kids first time doing anything wrong, and they chose to do it on your back porch to avoid getting into any serious kind of trouble, or if the kid ran out of crack, and was getting high on her way to burglarize the neighbors house. They will treat them all the same, arrest, booking, detention, trial, punishment. Taking away the ability of a parent to make decisions about what is best for their child is anathema to freedom. Prohibition is unjust, it's anti-freedom, anti-American, puts our kids at more danger, and has zero positive benefits. If it stopped kids from using drugs, less of them would than did in 1937 before it was made illegal. The fact is, more do. It's counterproductive.
IMHO
5:26 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
I have called the Evanston police to report the neighbors kids smoking pot in the backyard and alley. They arrived, talked to the kids, and left. The kids took their party into the garage.
Anon
5:26 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Teens "partying" is a big issue right now, if what I'm hearing about some of the Christmas break shenanigans is true. Teenagers, by nature, make bad choices. You can arm them with all the information you have your hands on, tell them the choices they should be making, threaten them with the drug test kit you keep in your cupboard, but guess what? A good many of them will still make some bad decisions. That doesn't make them bad kids, and it doesn't make us bad parents. Trust me-with one kid on the way to college and another on the way to high school, I've seen a lot of good, smart kids from strong families do really stupid things. It's like they turn 16 and check their brain at the door. Consequences are important, but need to be tempered with the knowledge that these are kids and their brains don't work. Take away their drivers license, make them pay big fines (out of their own money!), require community service, but a criminal record for being caught smoking in the woods at 16 is overkill. My preference would be that my own teens will steer clear of alcohol and drugs and I hope they do (but I know that bad choices have already been made). But if I had to choose, I would much rather my teen smoke pot than drink alcohol. They are less likely to end up in an emergency room, less likely to exhibit reckless behavior and more likely to help the local economy through increased sales at the 7/11.
IMHO
5:40 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
The kids in my neighborhood who have been arrested for possession of marijuana and alcohol violations (age 17) have seen no consequences. Their parents continue to pay for their cell phones (even though the kids won't answer when the parents call), provide a weekly allowance (the kids have never had a job), drive them anywhere they want to go, and let the kids stay out until dawn. Bad kids? Bad parents? Bad schools? All of the above I suspect.
FlyingTooLow
6:01 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
@ IMHO...
Young people only know what they are taught. They come into this world a blank page...write on it as you will. That is what they know...it becomes the 'path' they will follow through life.
My Mom and Dad ran a tight ship. No, there was no physical abuse. But, my siblings and I knew where 'the line was drawn.'
We loved and respected our parents...what they said was law. Example: no alcohol until age 21...marijuana was practically unheard of in my era. So, now kids need to be taught, no pot until 21.
These 'kids' I am reading about in this thread...they seem to be without 'direction.' They are running wild.
That was not allowed in my generation.
You ask, "Bad kids? Bad parents? Bad schools?"
My vote is not 'bad parents'...but, parents who are not providing these little guys with proper instructions on how to behave in society.
They have to learn somewhere...proper instruction begans at home. Not only 'begins,'...but is 'demanded.'
At least, that's the way I see it.
And, yes, I know what opinions are like.
bowtiesarecool
7:42 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
IMHO: you've seen no consequences..... Ok, so what are you saying, that you wish bad consequences on people, because they choose something you don't? That you want them to suffer, because they might have some fun? That's called "sadism". If marijuana use is so harmful, aren't those harms consequences? If it's really that harmful, isn't that enough? Why do you think they need to be harmed further? Or are you saying that it doesn't harm them enough on its own, and you want to guarantee that they are REALLY harmed? You sound like a very kind, loving type of person.......
IMHO
8:20 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Call me old-fashioned (and a sadist) but after the second arrest I think the kid should be punished.
LaVerne
8:31 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
IMHO
You don't think the $50.00 fine and a shame on you is enough
bowtiesarecool
8:38 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Well, if you think that the drug use itself isn't harmful, and that they should just be punished because you want them to be, what do you call that?
Maybe you've never been arrested, and don't understand that there are actually consequences. Something happened. They don't arrest you and then say "have a nice evening". They were booked, given a court date, and something happened. Are you saying you aren't aware of anything happening, or that nothing happened? How do you know the outcome? Do they have a record that is going to result in difficulties gaining employment? If that is the case, they are going to be paying less in taxes for the rest of their lives, correct? So the community will have less revenue. And you want to spend more money incarcerating them, as well? Because the drug use itself wasn't punishment enough, you want everyone to pay to punish them more? Is that your solution? Do you think that arresting people for this has reduced the number of users? Are there fewer users today than there were in 1937, when it was first made illegal? What do you want to see?
LaVerne
8:43 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
bowtiesarecool
I believe the Evanston ordnance is a ticket for $50.00
Annonymous
7:27 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Things to consider - for the children:
1. Cannabis is illegal for children either way, prohibition or with legalization.
2. Access to Cannabis is difficult if it was legal like alcohol.
3. Access to cannabis is easier and abundant under prohibition.
4. Drug dealers don't care about the children.
5. It is more profitable to get children using more expensive drugs rather than cannabis. If you are a dealer up-selling will be what you do.
6. Cannabis is about as addictive as coffee. Tobacco is more addictive than heroin.
7. Education works better than propaganda, lies, and fear mongering, because kids are smart.
8. We tried prohibition for over 40 years. We know this road well. Give legalization a chance.
9. Reefer madness is pure propaganda. Lies do not garner support.
10. Prohibition costs to society far outweighs any benefits. Legalization is a sane model and allows for harm reduction. Look at tobacco for an example.
Christine Wolf
1:58 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
While the pros and cons of alcohol are widely known, it's still illegal to use it under 21 years of age (unlike many countries in Europe). Back to the crux of the article: What's your opinion on TEENS using marijuana?
LaVerne
2:16 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
The City Council said it was ok if TEENS use Marijuana. Obviously they have no interest what others think
bowtiesarecool
2:30 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
Ahh, but that wasn't the "crux" of the article. The crux of the article was what kind of message are CO and WA "sending our kids" with their most recent marijuana laws. Those laws didn't make marijuana use by those under 21 legal at all. That's just an excuse to justify keeping it illegal altogether. Alcohol isn't legal for those under 21, as you said. What kind of message does that send our kids? Is that telling our kids that they are free, in fact encouraged, to use alcohol? No, it doesn't. In fact, binge alcohol use is at an all time low, and our kids, for generations, have said that purchasing alcohol is more difficult than it is illegal drugs. You are now disregarding your entire article. What does a law, legalizing its use for adults, have to do with teen use at all, other than it makes it more prevalent? Do you have some sort of belief that prohibition has reduced use? There were fewer users in 1936 than today? Nobody is that delusional, are they? Prohibition has been the most successful marketing campaign in history. 100,000% increase in use in just 75 years. Can you think of an existing product that has seen larger growth in use than that?
Jim
2:36 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
As I said above. teens use marijuana at theor own risk. If a teen's physiologic response is adverse and he/she is killed or seriouly injured or goes to jail, that person is selected out of the gene pool through what I call sociological natural selection. Another example would be someone who uses a drug (any drug) and gets into a fight because of it and is killed, he/she has been selected out. We as a society have pretty much stopped physical natural selection through medical techniques but as far as I can tell it is nigh impossible to stop syupidity and poor judgement. Risk is relative and there is enough of it in the everyday world without doing something unnecessary and narcicisstic.
june shellene
2:54 pm on Sunday, January 27, 2013
I hope it's of interest to everyone to understand the CIA's drug trade is alive and well. James Corbett is only one of many sources on this. Do your own research though. Always best.
http://www.corbettreport.com/the-cia-and-the-drug-trade-eyeopener-preview/
june shellene
3:03 pm on Sunday, January 27, 2013
Another thought, is if we honored our children...if we didn't work so hard at amputating their right brain...their source of creativity and all the really cool things human beings have at their disposal, they wouldn't be dying to get the hell out of the hellish mental state our "educational" institutions pushes them into while marginalizing the kids who refuse to sit down and shut up and learn how to parrot back mostly uninteresting information. Here's a few interesting clips. In the first, a recent high school valedictorian gal pulls the veil off the whole dumbing down system we so foolish call education.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9M4tdMsg3ts
The second clip is a woman who watched, as a government insider, as public schooling had its heart and soul ripped out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezTIYd5UFRY