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Black Parents Say Police Mistreatment Is Common For Their Kids

After one 13-year-old honor student at Chute was handcuffed by police who believed he was a burglary suspect, his parents and others say police mistreatment of African American kids is widespread in Evanston.

Speaking before Evanston’s human services committee on Wednesday, Dale Greenwell told local officials he had just experienced “a black parent’s worst nightmare.”

His 13-year-old son, Diwani, in his front yard on Kirk Street by Evanston police officers who believed him to be a suspect in a burglary. 

Dale Greenwell’s wife, Ava Thompson Greenwell, was at home when it happened and witnessed the incident. She told the committee that officers did not identify themselves or ask Diwani how old he was. They also ignored her repeated questions as she watched police clamp a pair of handcuffs on her son, Greenwell said.

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She has since filed a complaint with the , alleging that officers mishandled the incident and relied on racial profiling when they arrested her son. The burglary suspect was described as wearing “khaki cargo shorts,” while her son was wearing navy blue cargo shorts that day, according to Greenwell. She believe police saw a black kid in a predominantly white neighborhood and disregarded the fact that the description did not exactly match up. 

“It was unnecessary. It was unfair. It was un-American,” Greenwell told the members of the human services committee. “Evanston police have traumatized my entire family.”

Several other families spoke up at the meeting to say that they, too, had experienced similar incidents.

Jerry Walker said his son was stopped by police who also believed he was a suspect in a crime. After they determined that his son was not a suspect, an officer offered this apology, according to Walker: “Sorry, bro, we don’t mean to f*** with you.” 

“It was not a very professional way to handle it,” he says. Walker said his son had also filed a complaint with the police department.

Germaine Newsome attended the meeting to describe a similar incident that happened to her daughter, Patrice. 

“They gave us the same excuse that they gave to the Greenwells. ‘If something had happened to one of your children, you would want us to do the same,” she said. “No, I wouldn’t.”

Newsome’s daughter, Jacqueline, described the incident to the human services committee. Patrice, who was 16 at the time, was walking home with a friend when police drove toward her with their sirens on, bringing everyone in her neighborhood out of their homes to see what was going on. Officers told Patrice that she needed to get into their car or they would arrest her. Her sister was scared, Jacqueline said, but did as she was told. She was later released as a suspect, but the way police treated her was unforgettable, the Newsomes said.

Later, Jacqueline was in a car with a young white man who was stopped as a suspect in a burglary. 

“The situation was totally different,” she says. Police politely asked to see his ID, then apologized for wasting his time.

Officers eventually apologized to the Newsomes after the family met with the police.

"The apology was little and it was late, but they did apologize," said Germaine Newsome.

Ald. Jane Grover and Ald. Peter Braithwaite both offered the Greenwells an apology.

“I think I understand how an incident like this would have repercussions of a different dimension for your outstanding, exemplary 13-year-old son than it would have for my outstanding, exemplary 12-year-old son,” said Grover. 

“It’s difficult to sit here with a straight face and not be emotional when you hear stories like this, particularly as a parent with two black boys as well,” said Braithwaite. “So I hear you.”

He also suggested that the families who attended the meeting sign up for the city’s series of Community Dialogues on Race. The next discussion takes place at 7 p.m. Thursday, Oct. 25, in the Civic Center.

Police Chief Richard Eddington said the department’s internal investigation could take up to 60 days from the time the complaint was filed.  

Rick September 7, 2012 at 10:38 pm
The Greenwell's have filed a complaint? Don't they understand the complaint process is merely a method the police use to stonewall the public? What they ought to do is sue the department in federal court for a civil rights violation. That will get the city's attention real fast.
mij September 8, 2012 at 12:02 am
Perhaps the Alderman should wait until after and investigation to issue an Apology. Guess they blame Police also
Jennifer Wilson September 8, 2012 at 12:09 pm
My 16 year old was cuffed, brought into the station. And detained for over an hour while EPD decided what to charge him with. (he was skateboarding). Once they determined that annoying an officer was NOT in fact a crime, he was finally released. The "arresting" officer was horrifically rude to me because I would not give him my husbands middle name or SSN without an explanation as to why he needed it. He stated he sees where my kid gets his manners and that's why he was there. Meanwhile, 4 people smoking pot under my kids open windows and no one shows up. We are white. EPD age profiles in our experience.
millie September 8, 2012 at 03:15 pm
Dale Greenwell’s wife, Ava Thompson Greenwell, was at home when it happened and witnessed the incident. She told the committee that officers did not identify themselves or ask Diwani how old he was. They also ignored her repeated questions as she watched police clamp a pair of handcuffs on her son, Greenwell said.
IF THEY DIDN'T IDENTFY THEMSELVES WHY DIDN'T SHE CALL POLICE AND WHY DID SHE ALLOW A GROUP OF STRANGE MEN PUT HANDCUFFS ON HER SON.
annie September 8, 2012 at 06:00 pm
After reading thru the 911 call, the similarities are there. Shrug it off and move on. During an emergency, the 911 dispatcher gets as much info as they can. The police
do not have 20 min to discuss the exact color of someones skin and would you want them to? I am white but do we all look alike? There is a test administered by the City of Evanston, for police dispatchers when they apply for the job. I have taken it. No way could I follow the sequences that these people have to follow. The City of Evanston should let anyone take it and then you will see what they are up against. Better yet, take the Citizens Police Academy class, and get a first hand look at what the police do. You might get a different perspective and thats the point.
mij September 8, 2012 at 08:15 pm
I am curious Did Mrs Greenwell read or listen to the tape?:
Caller: He seemed like a young boy, he was African-American. Um, he had, like, a phone charger and like an iPad charger in his hand. Operator: That were, that are yours? Caller: Yes, that he … Operator: Did he take them with him? Caller: No, he, he didn’t, he dropped them. I don’t know if he had anything else in his pockets. Operator: Do you have a description of like his, what he was wearing? Caller: I think he was wearing some kind of cargo, khaki kind of shorts and a dark brown t-shirt or a dark shirt. Caller said they thought they were "khaki" Did the Alderman listen to the tape?
EKF September 8, 2012 at 09:07 pm
what are the police to do? Crime is rampant, and when they do their job some will be inconvenienced. I would rather see the police enforcing the law than have young thugs controlling the neighborhoods. Many young boys today have no respect for authority, much less other citizens. We all want safe streets, and for that, we need vigilant police effort.
Tea September 8, 2012 at 09:23 pm
It is difficult being a decent, respectable Black person in America. We are stereotyped because of the many crimes that our race are too often committing. I can only empathize with what happened to this 13 year old, especially if he is being reared by caring parents in a loving, respectable and crime free environment. What happened is unfortunate, but, as Black people, we will always be treated as criminals and degenerates. It's the color of our skin that everyone sees first.
Jennifer Fisher (Editor) September 8, 2012 at 09:51 pm
Some of them were plainclothes and others were wearing EPD uniforms.
Jennifer Fisher (Editor) September 8, 2012 at 09:52 pm
She told me that she listened to the tape last week.
Melanie September 9, 2012 at 02:51 am
Tea- "We are stereotyped because of the many crimes that our race are too often committing." Are you one of those people who stereotypes your own people. Black people don't often commit crimes. Most Black people are hardworking, law abiding citizens. The sad truth is that we are racially profiled much too often. For all of the other comments regarding the police doing their job....Police do not have a right to stop everyone they see that remotely fits the description of a suspect. The victim got a good look at the suspect and described him to the dispatcher, the police picked up the first Black person they saw who did not fit the description given to them by the dispatcher. Read the transcript!!
mij September 9, 2012 at 03:19 pm
Melanie
Read the 911 report Patch printed on one of these posts.t again.
mij September 9, 2012 at 03:27 pm
Kohl"s in this mornings paper had an ad for "Life KHAKI" CASUAL PANTS. Ad had them coming in FOUR different colors.
Tea September 9, 2012 at 03:32 pm
Forgive me Melanie, but do you watch the news? Are you not aware of the shootings and crime that is constantly broadcast each and every weekend on the news? I am sick and tired of hearing about another young Black child and young Black adult who is shot and/or killed in the City of Chicago!!! It's embarrassing!!!! Everytime the news air, I pray that it's not another Black on Black crime being committed. I am not blind to what's happening in our Black community and it needs to stop! My mother lives on the South side of Chicago and I am literally scared to visit her. What's going on around us is real. I am sick and tired of the violence and as long as we as Black people are shown to be animals, society, including the police, are going to always pick us out of the crowd. I'm sure that you and I, along with, so many other Black families, are decent, law abiding citizens who talk to our children, have raised decent, respectable children, but as usual, one bad apple spoils the entire bunch. I'M SICK OF THE VIOLENCE! I'M SICK OF MY PEOPLE BEING PORTRAYED AS, AND, TREATED AS ANIMALS!!!
Tea September 9, 2012 at 04:05 pm
P.S. I still feel that overall, the Evanston P.D. does a damn good job. Unfortunately, mistakes are made by all of us, including the police!
annie September 9, 2012 at 04:15 pm
The problem in Chicago is the gangs. The gangs are moving in. It doesn't matter what color you are to them. Their thing is to kill someone to prove what a "man" they are. Sick isn't it? I have told my daughter who has friends living in Rogers Park to stay in Evanston. She finally agreed when one of her male friends told her, they are killing people everywhere "just because they can" for their initiations. You can't go there. I would like to work in the city, but who wants to be standing at the Howard St El at 7pm when its dark out? Not me. We have to get the guns off the streets. It sounds paranoid, but I know 2 parents who have lost kids to shootings. One young man was an NU (black) student dropping off a friend in Rosland, and the other (white) had just moved into an apt in Rogers Park, and he was shot & killed just one month ago. I don't know what the answers are as to how it can be stopped, and it seems like the Chicago police are losing the battle. I am sure the same gangs are trying to move to Evanston, (if not all ready) and we can't let that happen. It is terrible that people cannot sit on their porches, little kids playing in their yard, and they are getting killed? And anyone who thinks it can't happen here, is blind.
The police handcuff people they are dealing with only because, criminals kick, spit, & punch police officers if they can. When they pick someone up, they don't know who they have until things are sorted out.
Tea September 9, 2012 at 04:39 pm
Thank you, Annie. Again, what's going on around us is real and it's heartbreaking! I squirm thinking of Evanstonians having to deal with the violence that Chicago is dealing with. The police have a difficult job to do and it's unfortunate that an innocent 13 year old had to endure such an experience.
Leroy September 10, 2012 at 04:10 pm
This did not just start to happen people! Black males of all ages have often been targeted and jailed by police since forever because they fit the description. Sorry but often times when crimes are committed the description black male is what you often hear. I am not saying it is right, I'm just sayin........................
Jenny olickal September 11, 2012 at 04:43 pm
So tired of the"black people fitting the description" complaint. Anyone that's ever done a ride along knows police officers have just moments to make a decision based on the descriptions given. Do a ride along and experience having to multi task within seconds before judging. Also, if callers are giving descriptions of black males, how does that make police racist? LISTEN TO THE TAPES! The kid matched the description. If my son was stopped and was wearing the same things I'd understand instead of teaching him to play the race card. Racism exists. Let's choose wisely when we see it. It wasn't on display in this case
Frank September 11, 2012 at 05:42 pm
Annie, you're right that the people committing many of these crimes are in gangs but the gangs have been in Chicago for decades so there has to me more to the story than that. The main gangs in Chicago have been operating for a long time and things weren't always as bad as they are now in regards to violence. The Latin Kings started in the 1940's, the Black P. Stones and Vice Lords started in the late 1950's and the Disciples started in the late 1960's. As violent as it is right now, the two years with the most murders in Chicago were 1974 and 1992. Both years had 400 more murders than last year. It's more about drugs than gangs... The gangs just control the corners that the drugs are sold on. But how did the drugs get into the country?
Jim September 11, 2012 at 06:17 pm
unfortunately most of the mug shots in Evanston and in Chicago are of young black men. Because of that and the dangers of police work, some decent young black men and their families are going to suffer indignities. When black leaders speak up about the need for responsible behavior in the black community and the need for intact families, they are often castigated for being disloyal.
Frank September 11, 2012 at 08:50 pm
What mug shots are those Jim? Maybe we have more issues here at the local level than the rest of the country. The FBI's 10 most wanted list features 5 Caucasians and 5 Latinos.
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten
Festus McMoron September 25, 2012 at 11:53 am
frank, how about i'll give you 10$ for every white mug shot and you give me 10$ for every black. deal or no deal???
michael rones January 29, 2013 at 12:45 am
Im sick of it to but we live in a racist society. Black men don't go to a school and shoot up everyone. Black men dont go into a movioe theatre and shoot every one.
michael rones January 29, 2013 at 12:48 am
Im sick of it to but you have to learn that america is a racist society and america fears black males. When america sees a black male, they sees crime. America doesn't want to admit that white people commit crimes to. Black males don't go into a school and shoot up everyone.
Jim April 15, 2013 at 05:20 pm
So too bad you are a law abiding citizen doing everything you can to raise your child correctly if you are black then you're going to be harrassed by the police. Dela with it and move on? That way of thinking just doesn't seem right.
Honest Guy June 11, 2013 at 09:54 pm
As both statistics and our real-world everyday experiences show, blacks are THE CRIMINAL RACE in urban America - especially Chicago and its suburbs. Rather than whining about "profiling" etc. maybe they should finally clean up their act as a race - stop being the perpetrator of the overwhelming majority of savage killings, rapes, and all other violent crime. Pull up your pants, raise your children (that means YOU "black men's") and speak English halfway decently. Right now the small law-abiding segment is suffering by association with the horde of uncivilized scum that make up the overwhelming majority of their "community".

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