Known Offenders Threatened Student With Gun, Asked Him to Fight Outside ETHS

Police say the two men who threatened a student last Friday at 3:45 p.m. outside the high school were looking for a fight.

Two men who were looking for a fight threatened an ETHS student with a handgun as he left the high school Friday afternoon, according to police.

The student knew both men, who approached him around 4:10 p.m. Friday, Oct. 18, as he was leaving the high school in the 1600 block of Dodge Avenue, according to Evanston Police Cmdr. Diane Davis. The two men called him a name and asked him to go to the 1600 block of Main Street for a fight. One of the men also displayed the butt of a handgun, according to Davis. 

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The student, whose age police are not releasing, ignored them and went on his way, at which point the two men took off, Davis said. Police found out about the incident when a caller reported it about 30 minutes later, and looked for the suspects, but could not find them.

Davis said nothing was taken from the student, and emphasized that it was not a robbery. 

elizabeth October 22, 2013 at 11:21 AM
Why isn't EPD outside of EHS every day? There seem to be story after story about problems at the high school.
Javi Javs October 22, 2013 at 11:24 AM
Just great. No EPD.
Bell F October 22, 2013 at 12:54 PM
Honestly, what do you expect to happen when the city allows a red hot drug/crime zone to exits literally right on the curb of its highschool. That entire area surrounding the school needs a new vision.... started over, integrated with decent people of all races and ambitions.
Jordan S. Zoot October 22, 2013 at 01:24 PM
Concealed carry for students anyone :P
ereality October 22, 2013 at 01:35 PM
If anyone has not already figured it out, we have a crime problem in the immediate area around our high school. What is the Mayor, The Police Dept., and Ald Dolores Holmes going to do about curbing crime and violence in the 5th Ward, particularly the area around the high school? We have had numerous shootings (fatal and otherwise), stabbings, etc all just steps from the high school in the past year. In fact, just last Friday, there was a report in the Evanston Daily Crime Bulletin of someone being threatened with a handgun on the 1600 Block of Dodge, right around dismissal time at 3:45pm. Why is this buried in the crime report and not bigger news? Is it because The Mayor, Evanston Police and Ald. Holmes have become used to this type of news from this area? Is it because The Mayor and her City Council colleagues continue to pander to businesses and certain residents around the high school and seem to be dismissive of the danger to students, faculty and visitors to ETHS? What's it going to take to get our Mayor, and her city council colleagues to take action? Another shooting, murder, stabbing? Maybe it will take another ETHS student, a nearby resident, or a visitor to the area. The Superintendent of ETHS tried to do the right thing earlier this year, with the suggested expansion of the School Safety Zone, but in typical Evanston knee-jerk liberal reaction, he was defeated by the Mayor and many of her grandstanding, bloviated City Council colleagues, who would much rather spend their time and energies at ribbon cutting ceremonies around town, or meeting behind closed doors to discuss giving away publicly owned lakefront land to NU and Colonel Jenny Pritzker. To the Mayor Ald. Holmes and Evanston PD; You have a problem here...do something to fix it and stop pandering and ignoring the issue...it's NOT going away.
Tantor October 22, 2013 at 07:45 PM
Ok, let me repeat it enough times. Maybe the authorities will hear. The police are undermanned and shackled. They may arrest a "youth" (black teenager) with a gun and then a judge lets him go, sending him to rehab instead of jail. So he comes back and commits another crime. And so on. It is very discouraging. The logical approach would be to go after the leaders of the gangs. One way would be to pat them down at some point; if they carry a gun (illegally of course; none of these guys has the clean police record required even to apply for a FOID card), then arrest them. They should logically be sent to prison for some years, as the law requires. With several of those "youth" leaders in prison, the gangs lose their enthusiasm. But again, our Democratic party judges will let the gang-ster go. That is the problem folks. Open your eyes. Notice how the black Democratic party politicians in Chicago (Preckwinckle, Bobby Rush, etc.) use every possible argument against mandatory sentences to keep these young thugs on the street even when they have been arrested with an illegal gun. These politicians went after Senator Kirk for suggesting the arrest of 18,000 of the 150,000 gang-sters the Chicago Crime Commission estimates in Chicago (Chicago has only 12,000 police officers many behind desks) Kirk of course has shut up. The black gangs provide money and numbers come election time to some Chicago politicians. A couple of weeks ago, Chicago Tribune published an article showing how a Chicago alderwoman received money from a convicted Gangsters Disciples felon and how City Hall gave the gang-ster a six figure loan, courtesy of the taxpayers (BTW, in the 1930's the white gang-sters, who were never as numerous as today's black gang-sters who have replaced them, also had many politicians in their pockets; its a Chicago thing, not a black thing). As for the Evanston authorities, who are otherwise clean unlike the Chicago ones, they pretend there is not a gang problem because the gang-sters are black. Politicians and school authorities dont want to be called racists for going after the gangs. So they keep talking about "guns" instead of gangs. It is safer for them. Open your eyes.
Mildred October 22, 2013 at 09:40 PM
Seems to me a few weeks ago when the subject of expanding the Safety Zone the Residents and businesses around ETHS were whining that it wasn't a good idea it would have a negative effect on the area. Complaints of police in area would look bad. If you don't want the Police in area POINT FINGERS GIVE NAMES AND THEY WILL DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. IF NOT THEN LIVE WITH IT
Festus McMoron October 23, 2013 at 07:46 AM
maybe if these gangbanging thugs were dropped off at marine recruiting station and forced to enlist, these little wimps would think twice. being in bootcamp might be a little harder than living in their sec. 8 house, being handed public assistance money and hanging on street corners all day. want to fight, send them to afghanistan.
Andrea Quintana October 23, 2013 at 09:37 AM
http://evanstonnow.com/story/public-safety/bill-smith/2013-10-23/59241/police-eths-gun-threat-a-hoax?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook Always good to reserve judgement until you have the full story.
ereality October 23, 2013 at 12:16 PM
Yes, Andrea, I truly wish we would not "rush to judgment". But, unfortunately, based upon experiences over the last year involving incidents at/around ETHS, it's hard not to assume that the incident was true, especially because it was first reported in the city's crime report, and not brought up whatsoever (as true/false) by ETHS administrators.
Andrea Quintana October 23, 2013 at 12:29 PM
Oh, I took it as believable too. That's why I posted it on the ETHS FB group. There is a known problem in that area, but the degree of personal judgement that gets thrown around so easily when this sort of thing happens is kind of stunning. My own father was a high school drop out, a juvenile delinquent in the streets of Boston in the late 40's/early 50's. But he's white. The common denominator was poverty. He made good eventually, but he did a lot of bad things before that too. Things are often more complicated than you might think at first.
Tantor October 23, 2013 at 01:40 PM
Festus, you have no compassion. We should not rush out to judge the little juvenile thugs. Poverty makes them do bad things, so they should not be blamed. And of course, they are too little and delicate to do what the poor illiterate Mexican illegals do: pick up fruit in California, clean toilets, etc. anything but live off welfare or enroll in "youth programs" for which of course they dont qualify, being illegally here. Noooo. Besides, the little juvenile thugs are Americans, and we know that Americans dont pick fruit or clean toilets, or work as maids, etc. That is for poor illegal Mexicans not for poor legal Americans. Better do the welfare, mugging, drug dealing, drugging and prostituting young women thing.
Festus McMoron October 23, 2013 at 04:34 PM
tantor, how foolish of me. all their teachers remember them as sweet little angels when they were younger. give them more public aid and a new car with $5000 24's.
Heather October 23, 2013 at 04:41 PM
It's not the bad areas in Evanston or around the Highschool , Why do I say this I have 4 kids in the school system . I'm a home owner in Evanston & my Husbands owns a Small business so we are a Great Family unit. It's the northshore kids of all race with the money that throw big party's & ask theses other kids again of all race who's family's are living from pay to pay. Theses northshore kids don't want to get caught or there hands dirty and really they don't ?! So they ask & pay the other kids to buy them the drugs , Liquor & even guns and theses Little corner stores are even worse 1 gets shut down oh wow !! guess what there's 30 more give or take doing the same thing Ramsey's was doing . Do not at all misunderstand anything I'm not racsist at all !!! And I'm not making this up my kids thank god are not doing this but literally they tell me everyone that goes to ETHS where they get there drugs or whatever they want my kids say about 97% per cent of theses kids in ETHS this is all they talk about can't wait for the weekend to get wasted etc !! and the corners stores my kids say once the owner knows you & feels ok with you he'll hook you up. So drive by a corner store pick 1 even go in you'll see kids going in & out with no chips, soda nothing in hand ? so what did those kids buy makes you think sit in your car in 20mins same thing you see so many kids of all colors & race come out of corner stores with nothing in hand won't hurt try , you'll see it & say oh my gosh what's really going on here in Evanston?!
Festus McMoron October 23, 2013 at 05:36 PM
make it mantatory of all parents of these future gangbanging thugs to attend this talk: FAN's next speaker is Richard Weissbourd, an ETHS alum(!). He will present "Raising Happy, High Achieving - and Moral- Kids." Dr. Weissbourd authored the book, The Parents We Mean to Be: How Well-Intentioned Adults Undermine Children’s Moral and Emotional Development. He considers how can we raise children who are emotionally healthy, high achieving and moral -- children who care about and take responsibility for others and think clearly about and pursue justice?
Tantor October 23, 2013 at 07:21 PM
Excellent speaker all parents of "troubled youth" should hear, Festus. How to take responsibility for your lives and your kids even when you are poor. Go get a job picking fruit in California, or cleaning toilets in Illinois ("jobs that Americans dont want tot do"). Just dont mug, deal drugs, steal, or give free drugs to young women of High School age and get them used to the drugs and then prostitute them. BTW, the "retraction" of the accusation was probably motivated by the silence code. Kid who accused got scared or decided that he, too, must not talk. But it is better for the Evanston crime record to dismiss the incident as made up, as a lie. Move on, folks, nothing happened here. And the beat goes on....and the beat goes on...and the beat goes on....
John Chrusciel October 23, 2013 at 11:16 PM
Well obviously corporal punishment (the choice of discipline back in my school days) is out. Let's try embarassment. Set up a big stage downtown. Set a chair on the stage. Shackle the offenders ankle to the floor of the stage near the chair. Make the offender sit in the "Chair of Shame" for a few hours around lunch time. Let the passersby mock, insult, shame and humiliate the culprits for a few hours. (no projectiles....so leave the rotten tomatos at home...well chosen words only). That will cure things. Of course its probably politically incorrect to embarass the living daylights out of an offender and its probably more politically incorrect to make someone take responsibility for their actions... ie... actions bring conseuences.
Jordan S. Zoot October 24, 2013 at 02:12 AM
How bout an electric chair?
John Chrusciel October 24, 2013 at 02:50 AM
Maybe an old field telephone and charge passersby 50 cents to give it a crank.
Jordan S. Zoot October 24, 2013 at 03:06 AM
I can guess where the electrodes get attached.
Festus McMoron October 24, 2013 at 07:42 AM
how about marine boot camp. these thugs are only hanging on street corners all day looking for trouble. drive down dodge, they're hanging out like flies on a cow pie.
Grumpy Old Man October 25, 2013 at 12:40 PM
While a few months at Paris Island would do some of these hoodlums some good, what makes anyone think the Marine Corps wants or would accept them? I just wish the State's Attorney would throw the proverbial book at these hoaxers who waste the police's time.
John Chrusciel October 26, 2013 at 04:52 PM
Festus, in the old days your idea might have been good. Having grown up on the West Side, I know many men who were on the verge of really going astray when a smart judge gave them the choice, join the service or join your friends in cook county jail. The smart ones joined the army or the marines or the navy and the ones i still keep in touch with turned their lives around and are now retired, honorably discharged, and have nice families etc. But today, the gangbangers only want to be in the 82nd for the training so the second they ETS they can go back home on the block and teach their fellow miscreants military tactics..etc. Gangbangers nearly ruined the All American Division and unfortunately they have infiltrated other divisions and branches. I have no problem with a gangbanger who is honorable and who when he swears the oath of enlistment changes his loyalties from his old gang to the country. But I do have problems with the ones who swear the oath and only pay lip service to it because they still want to serve their gang. So I would say some sort of military like basic training camp and if they excelled and their instructors approved, by all means let the motivated, rehabilitated kid join whatever branch he wanted. But before you let them join, a sheriff run boot camp to weed out those worth saving and who want to be saved from those who are just going through the motions to satisfy the judge.
John Chrusciel October 26, 2013 at 04:54 PM
Also, Festus, back then it was ok for a sargeant to beat a private. And platoons often threw "blanket parties" for the Ef ups who get everyone in trouble. Now it is a different, more professional military. You cannot pound the salt out of jerks anymore. They can just hold up their sissy "stress cards". So again, a rigorous LE run boot camp first to determine who is a go and who is a no go.
Tantor October 26, 2013 at 07:00 PM
Boot camp only makes the "youth" stronger so they can try to mug us more effectively. And there they eat properly making themselves again stronger for better mugging and quicker stealing. Not good. Have to come up with a better plan. How about sending them to pick fruit in California, so they can compete for jobs with the illegal Mexicans, who cannot go on welfare because they are illegal, nor can they go on Youth Programs like Cafe whatever.
John Chrusciel October 26, 2013 at 07:12 PM
Tantor, You do have to offer the opportunity for people to reform. I know that if you look at the recidivism numbers it looks bleak, but it is a lot less expensive in the long run to rehabilitate criminals or to prevent criminals from becoming such than it is to incarcerate. I am not saying all criminals can be rehabilitated. I am saying that we need to come up with alternatives that actually have a chance at reforming criminals into productive members of society. They say we are the land of the free, but we have more people locked up here in the US (per capita) than anywhere else in the world and this expense is a huge drain on our countries economic resources. We need something that produces results, is cost effective, and does not conflict with our Constitution.
Tantor October 27, 2013 at 03:48 PM
For the reason we have proportionaly more people incarcerated in the US than in Western European countries, see black commentator Larry Elder: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WnDO_GsxYg
Grumpy Old Man October 28, 2013 at 05:44 PM
I do not oppose keeping non violent offenders who do not repeatedly commit crimes out of prison. But Willie Horton is the reality of releasing the violent ones. Many of the violent offenders in prison are sociopaths who have no moral conscience. Crime, violent crime, is their business, their way of life. They deserve to be and should remain incarcerated for their full sentence if only to protect society. These offenders forfeit their freedom by their own behavior. Clear out the non violent, use other means to adjust their behavior but do not let the violent sociopaths out and about to prey on the public.


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