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Proposed Dominick’s Police Outpost Discussed at Business Association Meeting

The Evanston Plaza Dominick's may get a police outpost to improve employee safety and lower youth theft, but local business owners fear the presence of law enforcement might scare away customers.

In response to recent against security staff and , and reportedly increased levels of alcohol theft by juveniles, Dominick's is in talks with the City of Evanston over implementing a police outpost within its Evanston Plaza grocery store, 1910 Dempster St.

Members of the Evanston West Village Business Association met with City and Evanston Police Department representatives Wednesday morning at the Heartwood center to discuss the pros and cons of the proposed outpost.

According to Evanston Police Chief Richard Eddington, the outpost would serve mainly as a “preventative deployment security strategy” and deterrent to potential incidents of violence and theft.

“This is a reaction from a community member, Dominick’s, to deal with the issues and problems they have,” Eddington said. “The sun comes up in the east, there’s going to be [shoplifting]. That’s just the way it is. But there are several things that pushed Dominick’s and one of them was a significant number of injuries to their security people when they attempted to apprehend shoplifters.”

Chiefly debated at the meeting was whether the level of crime and violence near the store warranted an outpost.

Though no Dominick’s representatives were present at Wednesday’s gathering (much to the chagrin of some attendees), at a March 7, 2011 City of Evanston human services committee meeting focusing on the prevalence of youth crime throughout Evanston, store manager Bob Devereux said that the Dempster Dominick’s was “number one for injuries that occur to our security officers throughout the [80 stores in the] Dominick’s chain.” Devereux presented no documentation to support his claim, but there have been several reported incidents of store employees being robbed or in or near Evanston Plaza.  Dominick’s representatives were unable to be reached for further comment.

Dickelle Fonda, a local social worker and Evanston West Village Business Association member, called a taxpayer-funded police outpost within a private business a “dangerous precedent,” saying that other preventative measures should be explored first, including reconfiguring the Dominick’s floor plan to move the liquor section to a better-lit and more-visible area within the store, providing better training for security staff and even altogether ceasing to sell alcohol at that location. Fonda said that she and other neighbors had opposed the sale of alcohol at Dominick’s since the store opened, even back then citing its proximity to Evanston Township High School, 1600 Dodge Ave., as a potential problem.

According to Devereux, the independently contracted security company used at the Dempster store separately requested that security be doubled at the location to help reduce the number of violent episodes.

But Ald. Peter Braithwaite (2nd Ward) said that based on the incidents that he has heard about and witnessed, private security staff may not be enough and a police outpost may be an appropriate option.

“I’ve seen where someone who was stealing alcohol was tazed,” Braithwate said. “I’ve seen where someone who was taking alcohol, it took four or five police officers to get him under control. I’ve heard where the security guard staff has been cut with a glass bottle. ... Heaven forbid that should happen to a kid or a shopper. And I don’t think I’m willing to take that chance to wait for that to happen.”

Local business owners fear that a frequent, visible police presence in the Evanston Plaza could send a message to potential customers that the Dempster-Dodge area is unsafe for families and small children.

“It creates a perception of fear,” said Nancy Floy, owner and executive director of the Heartwood center, 1818 Dempster St. “That this is not a safe neighborhood to come into. And that is what we are working so hard to do. To change the perception here. To say, ‘this is the West Village. This is a hip cool community. Come bring your kids down.’”

However, other local businesses representatives felt that a conspicuous police presence could do the exact opposite by making the neighborhood appear safer and better monitored.

“It’s more important to provide safety in the area and to give her tenants piece of mind,” said Denise Brady, speaking on behalf of Smart Realty agent Marion Bowen. “That’s more important than the perception to her. ... Even if you have a police outpost, it’s not like there’s going to be a huge neon sign.”

Eddington said that even if an outpost is implemented in the Dominick’s, Evanston Police would not be committing to a constant presence. Instead, officers would stop by when available, focusing on times when trends have shown the store is at a higher risk for shoplifting or violence.

While there is no timeline for future discussions on the proposed outpost, local business owners suggested that sometime in the near future they would meet with Dominick’s representatives.

The Evanston Police Department currently has two outpost locations: one at 633 Howard St. and one at Evanston Township High School.

The Evanston West Village Business Association is with official borders of Wesley Avenue (east) to Hartrey Avenue (west) and Greenwood Street (north) to Lee Street (south). The group to promote the area as a “destination area” for local families.

John Miller June 9, 2011 at 11:11 am
The only customers who might be scared away by a police presence are those that the businesses wouldn't want anyway. And Ms Dickelle, now that you've helped sink Tilted Kilt, what's your beef with having a police presence in that neighborhood??? To answer the specific question posed at the end of the article, anything that will help alleviate the "problem" should be tried.
Richard Schulte June 9, 2011 at 11:18 am
Certainly, the economy has something to do with it. The lack of jobs and economic opportunity is one of the causes of this problem. Let's put America back to work. Let's make sure than every child gets a good education.
Jessica Feldman June 9, 2011 at 12:23 pm
Too bad you chose the wrong picture to illustrate your story. It looks like the Dominicks on Green Bay.
Fred June 9, 2011 at 12:52 pm
I have been in retail all my life, the last 21 yrs working for a similar chain. Liquor sails especially alcohol like wines & wiskey etc. is not a high profit catagory. Dominic's should limit their sales to beer only. It's not as easy shoplifting a case of Bud as 3 bottles of expensive Vodka. Dominic's could also remodel the store & configure the whole liquor department in a seperate SECURE area with a different entrance & exit. I feel that should be their responsibilty rather then the Evanston taxpayers! Our Evanston Police Department is doing a good jobs for all of Evanston during this period of reduced services due to our current financial situation. Every retail establishment in our city as well as everywhere else, has the same problem in some degree & they have to handle it without taxpayer assistance! I say Dominic's should do the same!
Cindy June 9, 2011 at 01:40 pm
Cindy
No, we do not need an outpost in Dominick. What we need is more Police presence in the area. Dominick is not offering any evidence to back up their claim. This is all chatter. Unless, we can backup claims of violence, we need not react. I agree, police presence in Dominick would not invite the community or newcomers to the area to shop there or other businesses to establish a present in the shopping center. I shop in Dominick and feel very comfortable without police presence in an outpost. The reason from my understanding why we cannot get new business there is that the rent is too high. Maybe, the city need to work on that subject. As a community, we need to start focusing on the real reason behind the subject vs. pending decision on what we view as violence or theft with out backup that supports the crime. We have some challenges I agree as any City with crime, but, we skate around the real issues and pen point the group that cannot defend themselves without a piece of proof.
Jessica Rudis June 9, 2011 at 01:49 pm
It's a stock picture we have of Dominick's.
Evanstonian June 9, 2011 at 02:39 pm
I think it is a good idea. Having an outpost there WOULD increase police presence in the area. It is right near where many of the recent shootings have been. And police could walk around from there. I say yes please.
Evanstonian June 9, 2011 at 02:40 pm
I thought the same thing but was pleased to read it is the Dempster one. I live nearby
Charlene Bos June 10, 2011 at 06:04 pm
I have always felt a police presence did not cause fear, quite the opposite. There is a police outpost at Howard and Clark and that shopping center is very successful. Memphis hesitated putting in a police presence on Beale street fearing it would make people perceive a dangerous atmosphere. When they finally did change the officers to uniforms and make them more obvious it decreased the crime and increased the number of visitors.
Just giving a neighborhood a name (one that many of us object to ...sounds like the "other side of the tracks"..and who voted on that anyway) does not change reality. Why not use one of the vacant stores for a police outpost instead of inside Dominicks. Walgreens on Dodge and Main has been plagued with crime since it opened and never got an in store outpost. By the way Dominicks just remodeled a year or so ago. Thieves will find a way to steal no matter what you do. This neighborhood is safer than it was when I first moved in over 30 years ago. The new arrivals chose it because it was cheap and that is what comes with being an urban pioneer. Charlene Bos
Steve June 13, 2011 at 10:03 am
Finally! I suggested this weeks ago. However, an outpost WITHIN Dominick's? That seems pretty ridiculous. Why not fill up one of the multiple empty storefronts with an outpost? Would that not be a more visible presence? Would that not do a little more to help out the entire plaza?
Putting an outpost WITHIN the store seems to suggest favoritism. ( I will try, and fail, to resist the urge to suggest a police/Dunkin Donuts collaboration.) This in-store outpost is being discussed and not one Dominicks representative can bother to show up? I guess they don't care too much about it after all. Also, would Dominick's *gasp* allow the police to park their cars in their lot for an extended period of time? Come to your senses Evanston, put an outpost in the plaza, not the store.
Barbara Wolter August 9, 2011 at 04:29 pm
The more outposts, the safer the community. I am tired of living in a battle zone of politically correct vs common sense.
Richard Schulte August 10, 2011 at 09:10 am
I second the motion for common sense.
"The police are not here to create disorder; they are here to preserve disorder." Mayor Richard J. Daley Thank you EPD.

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